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House of Assembly: Vol1 - TUESDAY 4 SEPTEMBER 1984

TUESDAY, 4 SEPTEMBER 1984 MEETING OF PARLIAMENT Members assembled in the Assembly Chamber at 08h30.

The Secretary read the following Proclamation of the State President, dated 28 August 1984, summoning Parliament to meet today:

No 155, 1984]

 PROROGATION AND SUMMONING OF PARLIAMENT

Under and by virtue of the power and authority vested in me by section.25 of the Republic of South Africa Constitution Act, 1961 (Act 32 of 1961), I hereby prorogue Parliament on Monday, the third day of September 1984 and under and by virtue of the power and authority vested in me by section 38 (read with section 102) of the Republic of South Africa Constitution Act, 1983 (Act 110 of 1983), I declare that the First Session of the Eighth Parliament of the Republic of South Africa will commence at Cape Town on Tuesday the fourth day of September 1984 for the dispatch of business.

Proclamation 135 of 1984 is hereby repealed.

Given under my Hand and the Seal of the Republic of South Africa at Pretoria this Twenty-eighth day of August, One thousand Nine hundred and Eighty-four.

M VILJOEN,

State President.

By Order of the State President-in-Council:

P W BOTHA.

 ANNOUNCEMENT BY SECRETARY ON ELECTION OR NOMINATION OF MEMBERS AND ADMINISTERING OF OATH OR AFFIRMATION

The Secretary announced—

  1. (1) that in terms of section 102(4) of the Republic of South Africa Constitution Act, 1983, any person elected or nominated as a member of the House of Assembly as constituted for the purposes of the previous Constitution, and holding office immediately before the commencement of the Republic of South Africa Constitution Act, 1983, on 3 September 1984, was deemed to be duly elected or nominated to the House of Assembly;
  2. (2) that the Honourable Mr Justice P J Rabie, Chief Justice of South Africa, would administer the oath or affirmation to members of the House of Assembly.
 ADMINISTERING OF OATH OR AFFIRMATION

The Serjeant-at-Arms announced the Honourable the Chief Justice, who was recieved by members standing and, having taken his seat at the Table, in terms of sections 56 and 96 of the Republic of South Africa Constitution Act, 1983, administered the oath to the following members:

Alant, Dr Theodoras Gerhardus; Andrew, Kenneth Michael; Badenhorst, Hon Petrus Johannes; Ballot, George Christopher, Bamford, Brian Reginald, SC; Barnard, Dr Marius Stephanus; Barnard, Salmon Petrus; Bartlett, George Shepstone; Blanché, Johannes Petrus Izak; Boraine, Dr Alexander Lionel; Botha, Cornelius Johannes van Rooyen; Botha, Hon Pieter Willem DMS; Botha, Hon Roelof Frederik, DMS; Botma, Marthinus Christoffel; Breytenbach, Wynand Nicolas; Burrows, Roger Marshall; Clase, Petrus Johannes; Coetsee, Hon Hendrik Jacobus; Coetzer, Hendrik Stephanus; Conradie, Francois Daniel; Cronjé, Hon Pierre; Cronjé, Pierre Carel; Cunningham, James Henry; Cuyler, Willem Jacobus; Dalling, David John; De Beer, Samuel Johannes; De Jager, Abraham Matthys van Aarde; De Klerk, Hon Frederik Willem, DMS; Delport, Willem Hendrik; De Pontes, Petro; De Villiers, Dr the Hon Dawid Jacobus; Du Plessis, Hon Barend Jacobus; Du Plessis, Gert Cornelius; Du Plessis, Hon Pieter Theunis Christiaan; Durr, Kent Diederich Skelton; Du Toit, Johannes Petrus; Eglin, Cohn Wells; Fick, Lambert Hendrik; Fouché, Alwyn Francois; Fourie, Andrew; Gastrow, Peter Hans Paul; Geldenhuys, Allan; Geldenhuys, Dr Barend Leendert, Golden, Dr Samuel Gerhardus Antonie; Goodall, Brian Bradford; Greef, Hon Johannes Wessel; Grobler, Dr Johannes Petrus; Hardingham, Ralph William; Hartzenberg, Dr the Hon Ferdinand; Hayward, Hon Sarel Antoine Strydom; Hefer, Willem Jozef; Heine, Willem Johannes; Heunis, Hon Jan Christiaan, DMS; Heyns, Johann Hendrik; Hoon, Jan Hendrik; Hugo, Pieter Barend Botha; Hulley, Roger Rex; Jordaan, Adriaan Louw; Kleynhans, James William; Koornhof, Dr the Hon Pieter Gerhardus Jacobus, DMS; Kotzé, Hon Gert Jeremias; Kotzé, Hon Stephanus Francois; Kritzinger, Wouter Thomas; Landman, Willem Johannes; Langley, Thomas; Le Grange, Hon Louis, DMS; Lemmer, Willem Adriaan; Le Roux, David Eduard Terblanche; Le Roux, Francois Jacobus; Le Roux, Zacharias Petrus; Ligthelm, Christiaan Johannes; Lloyd, Jacobus Johannes; Louw, Hon Eli van der Merwe; Louw, Matthys Hendrik; Malan, Gen the Hon Magnus André de Merindol; Malan, Wynand Chari; Malcomess, Douglas John Norton; Malherbe, Guillaume Johannes; Marais, Dr Georg; Marais, Pieter Gabriel; Maré, Pieter Ludolf; Maree, Michiel David; Meiring, Jacobus Wouter Henry; Mentz, Jurie Hendrik Wynand; Meyer, Roelof Petrus; Meyer, Wilhelm Dempers; Miller, Ronald Baikie; Moorcroft, Errol Knott; Morrison, Dr the Hon George De Villiers; Munnik, Dr the Hon Lourens Albertus Petrus Anderson, DMS; Myburgh, Philip Albert; Nel, Hon Daniel Jacobus Louis; Niemann, Johannes Jacobus; Nothnagel, Albertus Erik; Odendaal, Dr Willem Adriaan; Olivier, Prof Nicolaas Johannes Jacobus; Olivier, Philippus Johannes Scholtz; Page, Brian William Bramley; Poggenpoel, Dirk Jacobus; Pretorius, Nicolaas Jacobus; Pretorius, Pieter Hermanus; Rabie, Johannes; Raw, Wyatt Vause; Rencken, Christopher Robert Eduard; Rogers, Patrick Robert Cobbold; Savage, Andrew; Schoeman, Hon Hendrik, DMS; Schoeman, Willem Jacobus; Scholtz, Mrs Elizabeth Maria; Schutte, Daniel Pieter Antonie; Schwarz, Harry Heinz; Scott, Daniel Benjamin; Simkin, Charles Henry Whellan; Sive, Maj Reuben, JCM; Slabbert, Dr Frederick van Zyl; Snyman, Dr Willem Jacobus; Soal, Peter George; Steyn, Hon Daniel Wynand; Streicher, Daniel Myburgh; Suzman, Mrs Helen; Swanepoel, Karel David; Swart, Ray Albert Francis; Tarr, Michael Ashton; Tempel, Hendrik Jan; Terblanche, Andries Jacobus Wilhelmus Pretorius Steyn; Terblanche, Gert Pretorius Delarose; Theunissen, Louis Mostert; Thompson, Aubrey Gordon; Treurnicht, Dr the Hon Andries Petrus, DMS; Ungerer, Johannes Hendrik Bruwer; Uys, Casper; Van Breda, Alexander; Van den Berg, Jan Christoffel; Van der Linde, Gert Johannes; Van der Merwe, Dr Christoffel Johannes; Van der Merwe, Gerhardus Jacobus; Van der Merwe, Hendrik Daniël Klopper; Van der Merwe, Jacobus Hercules; Van der Merwe, Stephanus Sebastiaan; Van der Merwe, Willem Lodewickus; Van der Walt, Andries Tjaart; Van der Watt, Dr Louis; Van Eeden, Daniel Stephanus; Van Heerden, Roelof Ferdinand; Van Niekerk, Dr André Isak; Van Rensburg, Dr Helgard Michael Janse; Van Rensburg, Helgard Michal Janse; Van Rensburg, Horatio Erlank Jansen; Van Staden, Dr Francois Alwyn Hugo; Van Staden, Jacobus Wilhelm; Van Vuuren, Lukas Martinus Janse; Van Wyk, Jacob Albertus; Van Zyl, Jan Johannes Benjamin; Van Zyl, Johannes Gideon; Veldman, Dr Michael Hendrik; Venter, Hon Abraham Adriaan; Vermeulen, Johannes Andries Jacobus; Viljoen, Dr the Hon Gerrit van Niekerk; Vilonel, Dr Johannes Jacobus; Visagie, Johannes Hendrik; Vlok, Adriaan Johannes; Volker, Valentin Albert; Watterson, Derrick Wilfred; Weeber, Amund; Welgemoed, Dr Peter Johannes; Wentzel, Hon Jacob Johannes Greyling; Wessels, Leon; Widman, Alfred Bernard; Wiley, Hon John Walter Edington; Wilkens, Hon Benjamin Hugh; Wright, Abraham Petrus.

and administered a solemn affirmation to Mr Graham Brian Douglas McIntosh.

The Honourable the Chief Justice thereupon withdrew.

 DESIGNATION OF THE ELECTORAL COLLEGE FOR ELECTION OF A STATE PRESIDENT AND A SPEAKER

The Secretary announced that in terms of sections 7(l)(b) and 58(1) of the Constitution the House would designate the members of the electoral college for the election of a State President and a Speaker.

In terms of section 7(l)(c) of the Constitution the Secretary requested the nominated and indirectly elected members of the House to leave the Chamber.

*Mr A VAN BREDA:

Sir, I move:

That the following members of the House of Assembly be designated to be members of the electoral college to be constituted for the election of a State President and a Speaker: The Honourable Dr P G J Koornhof, H Schoeman, J C Heunis, R F Botha, F W de Klerk, L le Grange, Dr L A P A Munnik, Dr G van N Viljoen, Gen M A de M Malan, P T C du Plessis, Dr D J de Villiers, H J Coetsee, S F Kotzé, S A S Hayward, J J G Wentzel, D W Steyn, B J du Plessis, Dr G de V Morrison, P Cronjé, P J Badenhorst, J W E Wiley, G J Kotzé, A A Venter, E van der M Louw, D J L Nel, B H Wilkens and Messrs A van Breda, A J Vlok, V A Volker, J P du Toit, D M Streicher, G C du Plessis, G P D Terblanche, M C Botma, H M J van Rensburg (Rosettenville), W H Delport, P J Clase, W J Hefer, Dr H M J van Rensburg (Mossel Bay), Messrs J J Niemann, S J de Beer, J H B Ungerer, A E Nothnagel, J C van den Berg, A M van A de Jager, J J Lloyd, N J Pretorius, F D Conradie, Z P le Roux and D B Scott. Mr B R BAMFORD:

Sir, I move as an amendment:

To omit the last eight names on the proposed list of names and to substitute: Dr F van Z Slabbert, Mrs H Suzman, Messrs R A F Swart, C W Eglin, H H Schwarz, H E J van Rensburg, D J Dalling and Dr A L Boraine.

Question put: That all the names proposed to be omitted stand part of the Question,

Upon which the House divided:

Ayes—121: Alant, T G; Badenhorst, P J; Ballot, G C; Bartlett, G S; Blanché, J P I; Botha, C J v R; Botha, P W; Botha, R F; Botma, M C; Breytenbach, W N; Clase, P J; Coetsee, H J; Coetzer, H S; Conradie, F D; Cronjé, P; Cunningham, J H; De Jager, A M v A; De Klerk, F W; Delport, W H; De Pontes, P; De Villiers, D J; Du Plessis, B J; Du Plessis, G C; Du Plessis, PTC; Durr, K D S; Du Toit, J P; Fick, L H; Fouché, A F; Fourie, A; Geldenhuys, A; Geldenhuys, B L; Golden, S G A; Greeff, J W; Grobler, J P; Hardingham, R W; Hayward, S A S; Hefer, W J; Heine, W J; Heunis, J C; Heyns, J H; Hugo, P B B; Jordaan, A L; Kleynshans, J W; Koornhof, P G J; Kotzé, G J; Kotzé, S F; Landman, W J; Le Grange, L; Lemmer, W A; Le Roux, D E T; Le Roux, Z P; Lloyd, J J; Louw, E v d M; Louto, M H; Malan, M A de M; Malan, W C; Malherbe, G J; Marais, G; Marais, P G; Maré, P L; Maree, M D; Meiring, J W H; Mentz, J H W; Meyer, W D; Miller, R B; Morrison, G de V; Munnik, L A P A; Nel, D J L; Nothnagel, A E; Olivier, P J S; Page, B W B; Poggenpoel, D J; Pretorius, N J; Pretorius, P H; Rabie, J; Raw, W V; Rencken, C R E; Rogers, P R C; Schoeman, H; Schoeman, W J; Scott, D B; Simkin, C H W; Steyn, D W; Streicher, D M; Swanepoel, K D; Tempel, H J; Terblanche, A J W P S; Terblanche, G P D; Thompson, A G; Ungerer, J H B; Van Breda, A; Van den Berg, J C; Van der Linde, G J; Van der Merwe, C J; Van der Merwe, G J; Van der Walt, A T; Van der Watt, L; Van Eeden, D S; Van Niekerk, A I; Van Rensburg, H M J (Rosettenville); Van Vuuren, L M J; Van Wyk, J A; Van Zyl, J G; Veldman, M H; Venter, A A; Viljoen, G v N; Vlok, A J; Volker, V A; Watterson, D W; Weeber, A; Wentzel, J J G; Wessels, L; Wiley, J W E; Wilkens, B H; Wright, A P.

Tellers: W J Cuyler, S J de Beer, C J Ligthelm, R P Meyer, J J Niemann and H M J van Rensburg (Mossel Bay).

Noes—26: Andrew, K M; Bamford, B R; Barnard, M S; Boraine, A L; Burrows, R M; Cronjé, P C; Dalling, D J; Eglin, C W; Gastrow, P H P; Goodall, B B; Hulley, R R; Malcomess, D J N; Moorcroft, E K; Myburgh, P A; Savage, A; Schwarz, H H; Sive, R; Slabbert, F v Z; Soal, P G; Suzman, H; Swart, RAF; Tarr, M A; Van der Merwe, S S; Van Rensburg, HEJ.

Tellers: G B D McIntosh and A B Widman.

Question affirmed and amendment dropped.

Main Question put,

Upon which the House divided:

Ayes—121: Alant, T G; Badenhorst, P J; Ballot, G C; Bartlett, G S; Blanché, J P I; Botha, C J v R; Botha, P W; Botha, R F; Botma, M C; Breytenbach, W N; Clase, P J; Coetsee, H J; Coetzer, H S; Conradie, F D; Cronjé, P; Cunningham, J H; De Jager, A M v A; De Klerk, F W; Delport, W H; De Pontes, P; De Villiers, D J; Du Plessis, B J; Du Plessis, G C; Du Plessis, P T C; Durr, K D S; Du Toit, J P; Fick, L H; Fouché, A F; Fourie, A; Geldenhuys, A; Geldenhuys, B L; Golden, S G A; Greeff, J W; Grobler, J P; Hardinham, R W; Hayward, S A S; Hefer, W J; Heine, W J; Heunis, J C; Heyns, J H; Hugo, P B B; Jordaan, A L; Kleynhans, J W; Koornhof, P G J; Kotzé, G J; Kotzé, S F; Landman, W J; Le Grange, L; Lemmer, W A; Le Roux, D E T; Le Roux, Z P; Lloyd, J J; Louw, E v d M; Louw, M H; Malan, M A de M; Malan, W C; Malherbe, G J; Marais, G; Marais, P G; Maré, P L; Maree, M D; Meiring, J W H; Mentz, J H W; Meyer, W D; Miller, R B; Morrison, G de V; Munnik, L A P A; Nel, D J L; Nothnagel, A E; Olivier, P J S; Page, B W B; Poggenpoel, D J; Pretorius, N J; Pretorius, P H; Rabie, J; Raw, W V; Rencken, C R E; Rogers, PRC; Schoeman, H; Schoeman, W J; Scott, D B; Simkin, C H W; Steyn, D W; Streicher, D M; Swanepoel, K D; Tempel, H J; Terblanche, A J W P S; Terblanche, G P D; Thompson, A G; Ungerer, J H B; Van Breda, A; Van den Berg, J C; Van der Linde, G J; Van der Merwe, C J; Van der Merwe, G J; Van der Walt, A T; Van der Watt, L; Van Eeden, D S; Van Niekerk, A I; Van Rensburg, H M J (Rosettenville); Van Vuuren, L M J; Van Wyk, J A; Van Zyl, J G; Veldman, M H; Venter, A A; Viljoen, G v N; Vlok, A J; Volker, V A; Watterson, D W; Weeber, A; Wentzel, J J G; Wessels, L; Wiley, J W E; Wilkens, B H; Wright, A P.

Tellers: W J Cuyler, S J de Beer, C J Ligthelm, R P Meyer, J J Niemann and H M J van Rensburg (Mossel Bay).

Noes—42: Andrew, K M; Bamford, B R; Barnard, M S; Barnard, S P; Boraine, A L; Burrows, R M; Cronjé, P C; Dalling, D J; Eglin, C W; Gastrow, P H P; Goodall, B B; Hartzenberg, F; Hoon, J H; Hulley, R R; Langley, T; Le Roux, F J; Malcomess, D J N; Moorcroft, E K; Myburgh, P A; Savage, A; Scholtz, E M; Schwarz, H H; Sive, R; Slabbert, F v Z; Snyman, W J; Soal, P G; Suzman, H; Swart, R A F; Tarr, M A; Treurnicht, A P; Uys, C; Van der Merwe, H D K; Van der Merwe, J H; Van der Merwe, S S; Van der Merwe, W L; Van Heerden, R F; Van Rensburg, H E J; Van Staden, F A H; Van Zyl, J J B; Visagie, J H.

Tellers: G B D McIntosh and A B Widman.

Main Question agreed to.

The House adjourned at 09h24 until Tuesday, 18 September, at 08h30.