National Council of Provinces - 19 February 2002

TUESDAY, 19 FEBRUARY 2002 __

          PROCEEDINGS OF THE NATIONAL COUNCIL OF PROVINCES
                                ____

The Council met at 14:01.

The Chairperson took the Chair and requested members to observe a moment of silence for prayers or meditation.

ANNOUNCEMENTS, TABLINGS AND COMMITTEE REPORTS - see col 000.

QUESTIONS AND REPLIES - see that book.

                        WELCOMING OF MEMBERS

The CHAIRPERSON OF THE NCOP: Hon members, good afternoon and welcome back to the 2002 session of this the second Parliament of South Africa under the Constitution of 1996.

I am pleased that so many of the hon members are present in this particular House. We even have the hon Mthembu here. Welcome. I am pleased to announce that we have a new permanent delegate in the NCOP. I cannot see whether Dr Van Zyl is here. She is not?

The hon Dr A Van Zyl, who represents the Western Cape province as a permanent delegate, made and subscribed to the oath before me on 13 December 2001. I would like, at this moment, to take the opportunity to welcome her in absentia to the NCOP.

                          NOTICES OF MOTION

Mnr A E VAN NIEKERK: Voorsitter, ek gee kennis dat ek by die volgende sitting van die Raad sal voorstel:

Dat die Raad kennis neem dat -

(1) die Nuwe NP sy dank uitspreek dat die Parlement hom daartoe verbind het dat die naamborde op die parlementêre terrein in meer tale sal wees;

(2) dit foutiewelik voor die Opening van die Parlement slegs in Engels aangebring is;

(3) na aanleiding van ons versoek aan die Parlement om dit veeltalig te maak, dit bevestig is dat dit gou reggestel sal word;

(4) die hele kwessie op die eerste vergadering van die Huishoudelike Reëlingskomitee gehanteer sal word, waarna die veranderings aangebring sal word; en

(5) die Parlement hierdeur gewys het dat hy bereid is om gehoor te gee aan die grondwetlike vereistes oor taalregte en dat dit deur ons beskou word as ‘n voorloper om ook die webtuiste van die Parlement veeltalig te maak en ‘n taalbeleid vir die Parlement te finaliseer. (Translation of Afrikaans notice of motion follows.) [Mr A E VAN NIEKERK: Chairperson, I hereby give notice that on the next sitting day of the Council I shall move:

That the Council notes that -

(1) the New NP expresses its gratitude that Parliament has committed itself to displaying the signboards in the parliamentary precinct in more languages;

(2) these were displayed incorrectly in English only before the opening of Parliament;

(3) in response to our request to make them multilingual, it has been confirmed that they will soon be rectified;

(4) the whole issue will be addressed at the first meeting of the Internal Arrangements Committee, after which the changes will be effected; and

(5) in this way Parliament has shown its willingness to adhere to the constitutional requirements regarding language rights and that we regard this as a forerunner to making Parliament’s website multilingual as well and finalising a language policy for Parliament.]

Mrs E N LUBIDLA: Chairperson, I give notice that I shall move at the next sitting of the Council:

That the Council -

(1) notes with shock and dismay the reported case of child labour in Helderberg in the Western Cape;

(2) expresses concern at the measures taken by the farmer to ensure that the children work longer hours, which included compulsory snuff intake;

(3) believes that this is indeed contributing to the psychological destruction of the very nerve of our society - children; (4) further notes that this is in contravention and in total disregard of the labour laws of the country; and

(5) calls for stricter measures to be taken to protect the rights and welfare of children in our country.

Mnr C ACKERMANN: Voorsitter, ek gee kennis dat ek by die volgende sitting sal voorstel:

Dat die Raad -

(1) kennis neem van die deelnemende regering wat tussen die Nuwe NP en ANC in die Wes-Kaap tot stand gekom het;

(2) kennis neem dat hierdie nuwe regering van samewerking 80% van die stemgeregtigdes in die Wes-Kaap verteenwoordig;

(3) die Premier van die Wes-Kaap, mnr Peter Marais, en sy hele kabinet gelukwens met hul doelgerigtheid om die vraagstukke van armoede, Vigs, werkskepping en misdaad in die Wes-Kaap aan te pak;

(4) kennis neem dat die nuwe dinamiek wat in die Suid-Afrikaanse politiek posgevat het met die konsep van deelnemende regering verreikende positiewe gevolge vir ons land kan hê en dat dit die benadering van kantlynpolitiek in Suid-Afrika negeer as uitgedien; en

(5) ook kennis neem van die Premier van die Wes-Kaap se woorde in sy openingstoespraak toe hy gesê het:

          History is littered  with  corpses  of  prominent  people  who
          became obsessed with ``what is wrong'' and ``who  was  wrong''
          rather than ``what was right''. (Translation of Afrikaans notice of motion follows.)

[Mr C ACKERMANN: Chairperson, I hereby give notice that on the next sitting day I shall move:

That the Council -

(1) notes the participatory government which has come into being between the New NP and ANC in the Western Cape;

(2) notes that this new government of co-operation represents 80% of the voters in the Western Cape;

(3) congratulates the Premier of the Western Cape, Mr Peter Marais, and his entire cabinet on their single-mindedness in tackling the issues of poverty, Aids, job creation and crime in the Western Cape;

(4) notes that the new dynamic that has taken root in South African politics with the concept of participatory government can have far- reaching positive consequences for our country and that it rules out the approach of politics from the sidelines in South Africa as being obsolete;

(5) also notes the Premier of the Western Cape’s words in his opening address when he said:

       History is littered with corpses of prominent people who  became
       obsessed with ``what is wrong'' and  ``who  was  wrong''  rather
       than ``what was right''.]

Mr K D S DURR: Chairperson, I give notice that at the next sitting of the Council I will move:

That the Council -

(1) notes that -

   (a)  on Saturday, 16 February 2002, ten people, including members  of
       the clergy, were arrested and jailed during a prayer  initiative
       that went from church to church in Bulawayo;


   (b)  nine people were charged with disrupting  the  peace  when  they
       prayed outside a police station; and
   (c)  Father Noel Scott, an Anglican priest, is charged with  ignoring
       the prohibition placed on a peace march by  refusing  to  cancel
       the Easter peace march which the Catholic,  Anglican,  Methodist
       and other churches traditionally hold annually; and

(2) calls upon the authorities in Zimbabwe to stop harassing church leaders.

Mrs J N VILAKAZI: Chairperson, I give notice that I shall move at the next sitting of the Council:

That the Council -

(1) notes with appreciation the steps taken by the provinces of KwaZulu- Natal and Gauteng in their determination to fight the HIV/Aids pandemic by means of Aids nevirapine treatment;

(2) further notes that the nevirapine treatment has already started in KwaZulu-Natal;

(3) hopes that the steps taken are going to save many lives and alleviate the misery suffered by the victims and their families in our country and on the African continent as a whole; and

(4) appeals to all the health authorities concerned in all spheres of government to embark on this essential programme in a more vigorous manner of approach to prevent the unnecessary suffering and loss of lives.

                 CONGESTION PROBLEMS IN DURBAN PORT

                         (Draft Resolution)

Mr P A MATTHEE: Chairperson, I move without notice:

That the Council -

(1) takes note -

   (a)  of the congestion problems in the port of  Durban,  the  busiest
       harbour in Africa;
   (b)  that a  surcharge  of  US$75  on  each  container  imported  and
       exported through the port of Durban which is  delayed  for  more
       than 12 hours  in  the  said  port  had  been  proposed  by  the
       Container Liners Operators Forum (CLOF), but that  it  had  been
       agreed by the said  forum  to  put  a  moratorium  on  the  said
       surcharge until 15 March 2002; and


   (c)  that the delays due to congestion problems in the said port have
       serious negative  economic  consequences  for  Durban,  KwaZulu-
       Natal, South Africa  and  the  whole  of  the  Southern  African
       region; and

(2) requests the Minister for Public Enterprises to have the said situation at the port of Durban investigated immediately and to furnish this Council as soon as possible with a report as to the reasons for the said delays and the steps to be taken to rectify the situation. The CHAIRPERSON OF THE NCOP: Order! Is there any objection to the motion? [Interjections.] There is an objection. The motion will therefore become notice of a motion.

                 VOLUNTEERISM IN THE POLICE SERVICE

                         (Draft Resolution)

Mr T RALANE: Chairperson, I move without notice:

That the Council -

(1) notes that the ANC has declared 2002 the Year of the Volunteer for Reconstruction and Development;

(2) further notes that the month of February has been declared Safety and Security Focus Month, aimed at mobilising communities to volunteer their services by joining local community police forums, volunteering as police reservists, participating in victim support programmes, helping in establishing and participating in patrol units and neighbourhood watches to ensure greater policing visibility;

(3) acknowledges the eagerness with which the community of Qwaqwa, through the local community police forum, has responded to this call by donating bicycles to the police to enhance visible policing in its high crime areas;

(4) believes their response is a worthy example of the kind of volunteerism we are seeking to achieve; and

(5) further believes their volunteerism will encourage other communities to do the same.

Motion agreed to in accordance with section 65 of the Constitution.

               TRAIN ACCIDENT AT KWADUKUZA IN STANGER

                         (Draft Resolution) Prince B Z ZULU: Chairperson, I move without notice:

That the Council -

(1) conveys its condolences to the families of victims of a terrible train accident that took place at KwaDukuza in Stanger when a passenger train ploughed into a goods train;

(2) notes that this is the second train accident in the province in recent months;

(3) further notes that the inaccessibility of the terrain complicated rescue efforts; and

(4) commends and supports the efforts of the Minister of Transport in ensuring better working conditions for rail workers and promotion of safety measures to prevent something as terrible as this accident from happening again.

Motion agreed to in accordance with section 65 of the Constitution.

RATIFICATION OF WORST FORMS OF CHILD LABOUR CONVENTION BY NEPAD MEMBER STATES

                         (Draft Resolution)

Ms C S BOTHA: Madam Chair, I move without notice:

That the Council -

(1) notes -

   (a)  that this week is pregnancy week;


   (b)  that there are continued  reports  on  the  abuse  of  children,
       whether in schools, in their homes or in their communities;


   (c)  in particular the reported sale of a 13-year-old  girl  who  was
       sold by an 18-year-old Lesotho woman as a sex slave; and


   (d)  the fact that South Africa is now used as  a  gateway  to  other
       countries buying children as slaves; and


 (2)    requests the Government  to  include  in  Nepad  agreements  the
     requirement  that  all  members  ratify  the  International  Labour
     Organisation's 1999 Worst Forms of Child Labour  Convention,  which
     lists slavery, child trafficking and any form  of  labour  that  is
     hazardous to children's health, but which only 20  African  nations
     have ratified thus far.

Motion agreed to in accordance with section 65 of the Constitution.

                  RICHARD'S BAY CROCODILE INCIDENT

                         (Draft Resolution)

Mrs J N VILAKAZI: Chairperson, I move without notice:

That the Council -

(1) notes with amazement the manner in which a boy of 13 years, by the name of Nsizwazonke Mthembu, escaped the jaws of a crocodile at Lake Mzingazi in Richard’s Bay, KwaZulu-Natal, over the weekend;

(2) further notes the courage displayed by this youngster who, during the fierce attack, managed to fight back against the vicious animal by poking it in the mouth with a stick and leaving it stuck in the crocodile’s mouth;

(3) wishes such a brave, lucky boy a speedy recovery from the injuries he sustained during the fight;

(4) congratulates his friends who fought a winning battle with him; and

(5) also congratulates his parents and family members for the good fight and success of their child.

Motion agreed to in accordance with section 65 of the Constitution.

 MEETING THE CHALLENGES OF SEXUAL HARASSMENT AND VIOLENCE IN SCHOOLS

                      (Subject for Discussion)

The MINISTER OF EDUCATION: Chairperson, members of the House, ladies and gentlemen, allow me to congratulate the National Council of Provinces on organising this debate - which is the first of its kind - and helping to break the silence that so often surrounds matters of sexual harassment, sexual abuse and sexual violence.

Women in South Africa, like their counterparts in the rest of the world, have been clamouring for years for both the public and the state to sit up and take note of what is happening to women and children. There have been numerous grass-roots movements and nongovernmental organisations that have worked tirelessly to bring this to our attention. Now it is our duty as public representatives and the state to be conscious of what is happening.

Fortunately, with the advent of democracy in this country and the new Constitution that established the rights of everyone to, I quote, ``equal protection and benefit of the law’’, the conditions are beginning to change and these matters are now more in the public domain than they have ever been before. Recently a great deal has been written about the fact that sexual harassment and violence are on the increase. While there is no way we can measure this accurately, what is clearly on the increase is the recognition that our country now has laws and practices in place which serve to protect the rights and dignity of women and children. It is these mechanisms that in turn create the space for the victims of this abuse to report these matters to the relevant state authorities. However, laws in and of themselves are not enough. These matters need to be openly discussed and debated if we are to realise and practise the inalienable human rights enshrined in our Constitution. If the Bill of Rights is to become a living thread in our lives and a part of the warp and weft of the social fabric, we must focus on these values which we need to inculcate in our society and which will ensure that these rights are upheld.

What has been most shocking for many of us has been the extent to which this unacceptable behaviour seems to be prevalent in our schools. When the victims are children, one does not stop and think of the long-standing history of the phenomenon, but one recoils at the thought that in some way one might have contributed to one child being hurt, either by keeping silent on these matters or, indeed, by failing to act in ways that could have prevented the abuse and harassment from happening in the first place.

It is true that schools all over the world face similar challenges: challenges in motivation, self-esteem, discipline, drug abuse and, indeed, sexual violence and harassment. But the prevalence of these in the rest of the world is no reason for us to sit back and relax. We are not trying to work out some sensational approach - regrettably there has been a sensational approach - or treat our country as the worst possible culprit. We cannot measure proportions; one act of violence or harassment is one too many. Therefore we have taken into account the fact that we are not dealing with the world league of culprits; we are dealing with our own standards and our own needs.

Our children look to us for protection, and it is our collective responsibility to protect them and to protect what I call their right to innocence. Together we need to create a national consciousness that sexual harassment and violence against our children - boys and girls - or, for that matter, against anyone, is unacceptable, more so because children are a matter of trust for the school system and for the community. This is unfortunately a very complex social problem in which there may be no common understanding of what constitutes harassment or of the possible devastation of such harassment to victims. Sexual harassment, by implication, is behaviour that is hostile or offensive to the recipient or to others and creates an undermining of the integrity or dignity of the individual. Such behaviour can make an individual feel uncomfortable - as many of us may have felt ourselves - unsafe, frightened or embarrassed, and may be physical, verbal or nonverbal.

The common link is that the behaviour is unwanted by the recipient and by others; it is unwarranted by the relationship and would be regarded as harassment or bullying by any reasonable person. Every child has inherent dignity - the Constitution strengthens that. But independently of the Constitution, every child has a right to dignity and has the right to have his or her human dignity respected.

A sad fact that is coming out with the increasing reports of sexual harassment and violence in our schools is that some of our teachers even believe that they have genuine and acceptable relationships with these learners. In some instances both the schools and the families of the learners condone these so-called relationships or refuse to make a complaint or accept compensation.

Sometimes when this abuse comes to light, there is an attempt to resolve the matter behind closed doors. Our society is not different from other societies. We treat sexual abuse as a kind of family skeleton to be hidden away. And, of course, that is not uncommon in other countries and other cultures too. So one offers the family some monetary compensation to make the problem, as it were, go away.

We need to fight these attempts to make abuse or harassment a private matter, something to be hidden from public view. We need to ensure that the perpetrators feel the full might of the law and of public disapproval. I think that, arising from this debate, we shall approach the Director of Public Prosecutions to ask whether it would be possible to stop a complainant from withdrawing a case of sexual abuse. The right to withdraw a case must rest with the DPP. I see some Unites States jurisdictions have done that. As hon members know, one can use pressure to have a case withdrawn from court.

Such is the nature of the problem we are faced with. And whilst the purpose of this debate or indeed the other related processes that have been scheduled to deal with this matter should not sensationalise this matter, we cannot afford, as I have said, to be complacent.

In recognising the need to reclaim and protect the right to innocence for our children, the Ministry of Education has embarked on a range of initiatives to deal with this issue, a number of them in the difficult area of changing attitudes and beliefs.

In relation to learners, we have strengthened our focus on sexuality education and on the Life Orientation/Life Skills Learning Area in Curriculum 2005, so that we can develop in learners the skills, knowledge, values and attitudes necessary for effective and responsible participation in a democratic society. We are hoping to produce a new breed of learners with not only the skills that are necessary, but also the confidence and the attitude to command respect for themselves and from others.

It is unfortunate that there are some who believe - in the Other House, not here - that we should not be talking to our children on issues of sexuality. They have even accused us of teaching our children pornography. It is these attitudes that sometimes make this issue so difficult to address successfully. Those who are attempting to frustrate our efforts need to realise that the only way in which to deal with this scourge is through access to comprehensive sexuality education which augments the education children receive from their families, religious and other communities and health care professionals. But the primary duty regarding sexuality education vests in the family and others around the children. The school supplements this, and I regret to say very often has to do more than supplement it because the families fail to do their duty.

The primary goal is to help young people build a foundation as they mature into sexually healthy adults. Such programmes respect the diversity of values and beliefs represented in the community. A recent American study shows that 60% of the schools will use an entire, comprehensive approach on sexuality, and 30% will say ``No sex - abstention’’. It is left to the sense of the community values rather than anything imposed.

In November 2000 we also introduced an amendment to the Employment of Educators Act of 1998 to make it clear that if a teacher is found guilty of having a sexual relationship with a learner at his or her school, even with the learner’s consent, the teacher will be dismissed. We are about the first country to do this. Where a teacher is involved in the rape or sexual assault of a learner of another school and is found guilty after a hearing, such teacher may be dismissed from his or her post. The intention of the legislation is to make it absolutely clear that a teacher who not only sexually abuses learners, but also has sexual relations with learners because of the power of subordination, should no longer be a teacher. It is also for this reason that the SA Council for Educators Act was enacted to set up this body, a body that licenses teachers. When a teacher is dismissed on the basis of sexual abuse of a learner, he or she will be deregistered as a teacher and may not be appointed by any person, including private providers, as a teacher. This kind of legislative commitment to root out this abhorrent practice is not common elsewhere in the world.

It is a pity that enforcement still presents us with major challenges. The failure to implement the existing legislation creates the impression that as leaders we are not committed to ridding the system of the scourge of abuse and harassment. I have already indicated to our officials that this is an area that I expect them to pay particular attention to this year. Many would have heard of the 1998 Medical Research Council study on the rape of girls in South Africa recently published in the British Lancet. The study claims that teachers commit a shocking 33% of incidents of rape against children. This was a very comprehensive survey. Unlike the NCOP survey which asked for responses, here was an actual scientific survey of more than 11 000 people. It is a very respectable and reputable way of finding out. What we need to be careful about is not to create the impression that the majority of our teachers are rapists and abusers.

This debate is important to ensure the integrity of the teaching profession and ensure that the profession enjoys esteem in our community. We look forward to the unions, the professional bodies and the SA Council for Educators taking prompt action against the minority who abuse. This is an issue, therefore, that requires of us to reflect seriously on how these statistics are matched by corresponding evidence of disciplinary measures taken by ourselves as the department, the SA Council for Educators and indeed by the teacher unions.

There is in fact very little evidence to show that we were successfully implementing our own disciplinary procedures and measures to the extent indicated in the study and other similar studies. This was highlighted in the recent NCOP public hearings conducted in the provinces, where it was found that cases that had been reported had not been acted upon or that teachers who had allegedly sexually abused learners had not been disciplined and are still in the same schools. I will be meeting the SA Council for Educators next week to decide exactly what their approach is to the sexual misbehaviour of teachers.

In the next couple of weeks I will be announcing the establishment of a special task team that will work very closely with the provincial departments of education, with teacher unions and organisations, with school governing bodies and associations and with the SACE to monitor the implementation of various legal and policy instruments in the system. A separate initiative my department embarked on was the development of a module for schools on managing sexual harassment and gender-based violence. This module has already been piloted in three provinces: Gauteng, Free State and Mpumalanga. It will this year be taken to all provinces. It is divided into eight separate workshops and provides schools with the knowledge and skills needed to deal with the different facets of sexual harassment and violence.

In 2001, together with the SA Police Service, we completed a workbook on signposts to safe schools. This workbook, which I commend to the House and is in the library, provides schools with a resource as well as a reference for action to be taken by educators, district managers, principals and school governing bodies on a whole range of school-safety-related matters. It also provides schools with strategies to improve the impact, the authority and the efficiency of school management and school services in relation to school safety. The workbook is now ready for distribution and will be sent out to all 27 000 schools in South Africa by April 2002.

Finally, in recognition of the inextricable link between the freeing of the potential of girls and ensuring equal access to education, we are currently finalising a teachers’ manual on gender equity in education to assist teachers in creating schools that are friendly to girls too. It goes without saying that no real learning in schools can take place in an environment of fear, neither can the values of the Constitution be nurtured in young South Africans in an environment where they are being flouted daily. It is essential, therefore, that we promote gender equality and respect for others in schools and ensure that these values inform and infuse all work and activities in schools.

In closing, I am reminded of the haunting words of a young child, Nokwanda, a student at Acacia Park Primary School, who, when addressing Parliament in this very room last year, called on us as politicians to do everything possible to protect and nurture our childrens’ right to dignity and safety. This little girl wrote:

When we go to school, we want to feel safe and not scared. We want to ask our teachers questions without fear. We do not want to feel ashamed when we do not understand something. We do not want teachers to beat us or scream at us. We feel safe when there are separate and clean toilets for boys and girls. We feel safe when nobody touches our bodies at school. We feel safe when we can run and tell teachers and other adults in school if there are people who touch us or beat us. We are children and like to play at break time. All playgrounds must be safe and not dangerous, particularly from outsiders. Children must not be beaten at schools. Girls must not be raped at school or anywhere. Gangsterism must stop. Drugs must stop. Children are the future and they must be protected.

Let us today in this House, for the first time in our independent democratic Parliament, commit ourselves to working together to ensure that these hopes and wishes so eloquently expressed by Nokwanda become a reality to all our children. In doing so, I would like to call on this House to make this the focus of Human Rights Day on 21 March and allow our children to reclaim their right to innocence. [Applause.]

Mr D M KGWARE: Hon Chairperson, hon Minister, hon colleagues from the provinces as well as the members of the public, girls in our schools around the world are suffering from intimidating and degrading behaviour. This problem has been highlighted in research in countries as diverse as Peru, Japan and Ethiopia. Sexual violence against and harassment of girls in South African schools is therefore no exception. However, it is a problem of sufficient magnitude to warrant immediate attention from national Government, right down to school governing bodies.

Failure on our part to accelerate our response to this challenge now may make it even more difficult in future to deal with this problem.

It is common knowledge that children who have been victimised by others or have seen others victimised by violence can have distorted memories and their cognitive functions can be compromised. Such children will have difficulty learning in school because their energies are drained from defending themselves against others or warding off their fears.

What is even more worrying is that the anger that is often instilled in such children is likely to be incorporated into their personality structures and can increase their risk for resorting to violent action in their adult lives. It is no coincidence that many adult child abusers have themselves been subjected to abuse or have witnessed violent abuse in their childhood.

How do we meet this challenge of creating a safe environment in which schoolchildren can enjoy their constitutional right to education? What strategies do we implement to creatively respond to this challenge and stop this cycle of abuse?

The natural starting point for any intervention is our schools and our teachers. The school and its officials are the one social institution outside the family with which nearly all children have consistent, ongoing contact.

Schools and their teaching staff are entrusted with the responsibility to act in the place of parents in terms of the common law doctrine of in loco parentis. Therefore they are particularly well suited for identifying endangered children, including those who are sexually maltreated. Moreover, by acting in the place of parents, schools have the responsibility to uphold the constitutional rights to dignity, equality and safety of person of their students. It can hardly be argued that children lose their constitutional rights at the school gates. Standing in the place of parents, teachers have a duty, therefore, to report all cases of sexual abuse at their schools. However, there are a number of factors that affect reporting by teachers. As a former teacher, I know that most teachers are empathetic towards abused children, but fear and a lack of knowledge may make them hesitant about reporting abuse.

Another important factor may be a lack of adequate training. This may hinder a teacher’s ability to recognise sexual abuse because many victims may not manifest any obvious external sign of sexual abuse. Even when sexual abuse is suspected, it may not always be reported for reasons related to maintaining the school’s image.

However, the most important reason why cases of sexual abuse in schools continue is that the policies on sexual harassment and violence in our schools are not spelt out in clear terms. The vagueness of our policy means that little consideration has been given by schools to the establishment of procedures in terms of which such cases can be reported and investigated. This vagueness in policy may also have serious legal implications for our democratic state. By not acting on allegations of sexual abuse, a school, and by extension our Government, may open itself to civil liability. In the United States, there has already been a case where that country’s supreme court has ruled that victims of sexual harassment and other forms of sexual discrimination in schools may sue for monetary damage.

If we are to prevent our schools from being liable for not dealing with allegations of sexual abuse, we need to clearly spell out policies on sexual violence and harassment in schools and accompany them with strong commitment from local educational authorities, strong leadership, financial support and clear targets for implementation.

Although most provincial reports on sexual violence in schools provide a demeaning indictment of the situation at our schools, we are fortunate that real opportunities exist for a change in attitude and in the response to gender violence in our schools.

There are a number of indicators of the existence of this opportunity for real change. The most important indicator is the commitment of the ruling party to the concept of gender equality in education. This commitment has found expression in a number of laws relating to gender and education, most notably the Employment of Educators Act and the SA Council for Educators Act, which make provision for the dismissal of teachers who sexually abuse children.

It is beyond dispute that the hon the Minister and his department are striving to become more effective in participating in preventing the problem of sexual abuse in our schools. Although the department should take the lead in combating this problem, the prevention of sexual violence and harassment is a responsibility that must be shared by all of us. While we are not likely to find ready-made lessons in textbooks about sexual violence and harassment, we should constantly strive to raise our levels of awareness and examine our own behaviour. [Applause.]

Ms E C GOUWS: Chairperson, let me say that I will be reading this on behalf of my colleague the hon Nelson Raju. He is unable to attend this plenary.

The Human Rights Watch produced a book entitled ``Scared of School’’ on the subject of sexual violence against girls in South African schools. Disturbed at the findings, the Select Committee on Education embarked on a nationwide tour of the provinces to hold public hearings to ascertain the authenticity of the report.

Standing committees in all legislatures were to facilitate these public hearings on sexual violence in schools. These public hearings brought to the fore incriminating evidence of high levels of illicit sexual abuse between educators and learners. That the problem exists is beyond debate.

It is not my intention to recite some of the numerous incidents whereby innocent young female learners have fallen prey to unscrupulous and immoral educators, including principals in some cases.

Not only the state, but also communities themselves, must no longer bury their heads in the sand like ostriches and pretend that the problem of sexual harassment in our schools does not exist. Responsible action must be taken if we are to stem the tide of this unwarranted assault on our moral integrity as a nation.

First of all, there is a need for the South African public to understand that the Constitution and the Bill of Rights place a high premium on the human rights of children, and especially girls’ rights to education.

For ages, gender bias kept girl children from ever receiving education in schools. Work and time-consuming chores, early marriage, pregnancy and poverty kept girls out of schools. And now, when, at long last, our girls have access to formal schooling, they become vulnerable and captive to sexual predators like wolves in sheep’s clothing.

School management, including educators in conjunction with social workers and the SAPS, have to become proactive in ensuring that schools are safe havens of learning for our girls. The Education department has an obligation to put into place clearly defined policy guidelines for the protection of female learners. Schools should have clear policies on sexual abuse in schools. The co-operation of parents in educating their children in sexual abuse and its manifestations must be elicited. Awareness campaigns in schools must ensure that no female child is caught unaware when sexual advances are made by teachers.

A well co-ordinated procedure involving police services, social services and justice should be developed. There is an absolute need for easily available counselling when it becomes necessary.

This is what United Nations Secretary-General Kofi Annan said, when he launched a ten-year initiative on girls’ education in Dakar, Senegal on 26 April 2000, and I quote:

Education is the single most vital element in combating poverty, empowering women, protecting children from hazardous and exploitative labour and sexual exploitation, promoting human rights and democracy … Education is the path towards international peace and security.

Let us not sabotage the education of our girls by abusing and harassing them. They need our protection. [Applause.]

Mr S B NGIDI (KwaZulu-Natal): Chairperson, hon Minister and hon members, the documented record of sexual harassment in schools indicates that the girl child is more of a victim than her boy counterpart. This does not exclude boys from victimisation and harassment.

I will not bore the Council with facts and figures. Suffice to say that it is indeed worrying that more than 30% of sexual harassment acts are committed by educators against girl children in our schools. This state of affairs should be reduced in our new-found democracy.

Harassment in schools may be as old as schools themselves. The increase, both in commission and reported cases - not all incidents are reported - is reason for concern. This may also be indicative of a general moral degeneration in our society. Schools are a microcosm of the general society. The ills which are evident in schools reflect the general trend and the direction in which our society is going.

The situation at present is that the sexual abuse and harassment of girls by both teachers and other students is widespread throughout the whole country. Cases of rape, assault and sexual harassment of girls by both teachers and male students are reported. Girls encounter sexual violence at schools, where they are also raped in toilets, empty classrooms, hallways, hostels and dormitories. They are also fondled, subjected to aggressive sexual advances and verbally degraded in our schools.

Girls from all levels of society and from all ethnic groups are affected by sexual violence. Sexual violence has a profoundly destabilising effect on the education of girl children, that is, there is a marked deterioration in school performance. There is a lack of concentration and loss of interest in school, and they leave school prior to the completion of their school career.

Notwithstanding various legal and statutory frameworks which are in place, I would, however, like to emphasise the following for consideration. The Department of Education, also through its provincial departments, should develop and adopt national plans which would develop guidelines to manage all forms of abuse; implement appropriate procedures with regard to educators who are perpetrators; provide funding for counselling and medical services for victims; develop a code of conduct for educators; and provide mechanisms to hold schools accountable for failure to adequately to respond to allegations of sexual violence.

Secondly, victims need to be protected from perpetrators. We need to make reporting compulsory. We need to dismiss, as the Minister stated earlier, educators who are found guilty of serious misconduct with regard to sexual harassment. Teachers facing allegations of sexual misconduct need to be separated from the learners who are alleging such abuse. Learners found guilty of sexual misconduct against other learners need to be provided with guidance and counselling for corrective measures. There should be a system of interdicts and restraining orders enforced in schools in order to protect girl children.

Thirdly, the Department of Education, maybe together with the Department of Health, needs to establish facilities to ensure that the health, emotional and physical needs of victims are catered for.

Fourthly, the justice system needs to be improved so that it becomes more friendly and more protective to victims than is the case right now.

Lastly, the South African Council for Educators and teacher unions in South Africa should deny membership to convicted sexual offenders, and be able to revoke the licences of those educators found guilty either by an administrative or a criminal tribunal of any form of sexual violence in schools. [Applause.]

Mr M J BHENGU: Chairperson, I think perhaps this issue has been in the media and it has been debated in this House. There is one conclusion that one actually comes to, and that is that we need to admit that there is a great deal of corrosion of our moral fibre in our society, and that there has to be a national programme of moral regeneration in the entire country, because what we see in our schools is actually found in other sectors in our community.

We have seen the shocking report by the select committee of the NCOP. What one gets from that report is that, as the Minister has said earlier, the state needs to take action. Actually, as far as I am concerned, there is no need to debate this issue. We just need to take immediate action. We have in Zulu an idiom, iva likhishwa ngelinye [inhumanity must be answered with inhumanity]. The perpetrator is either unqunywa umphambili noma ubhadla ejele forever or for a long period. Talking will not help. Our children at schools are suffering. The state must act, and must act immediately. If the state fails to act, the people on the ground will actually take the law into their own hands. [Applause.]

Mr J M MTHEMBU (Mpumalanga): Chairperson, on a point or order: Is it parliamentary to say ``unqunywa umphambili’’ in this Chamber? [Interjections.]

The CHAIRPERSON OF COMMITTEES: Order! I will make a ruling. I am calling on hon member Nkonyeni, while the table assistants will assist me. We will come back to the hon member’s question.

Ms N P NKONYENI (KwaZulu-Natal): Chairperson, first of all, I would like to congratulate the hon the Minister, Comrade Prof Kader Asmal, for the detailed report he has just tabled. I would also like to commend the members of the select committee who visited provinces for the public hearings, and also the Human Rights Watch for the report they have tabled, which has provoked the debate that is taking place today.

Sexual violence is rife and has always been, as the Human Rights Watch has indicated, in other provinces and in KwaZulu-Natal as well. Public hearings were not conducted in KwaZulu-Natal, but the Human Rigths Watch has indicated that this scourge is also happening in KwaZulu-Natal, in schools in particular. I would like to indicate that the hon the Minister has already responded to most of the things that I was going to raise, because I was not aware of some of the things that the department is already doing. For instance, one of my proposals was that every school’s code of conduct should prohibit any form of sexual harassment and sexual relations between a learner and an educator.

Secondly, sex education should be introduced in schools, so that both learners and educators are made aware of individuals’ sexual rights.

Thirdly, all educators should be empowered with counselling skills.

Fourthly, the Department of Education, social services, Health, Correctional Services and the Department of Justice should look into the establishment of survivor empowerment centres to deal with cases of sexual abuse, and also develop rehabilitation programmes for perpetrators of gender violence.

Tollfree numbers should be provided for survivors of domestic violence, especially in our rural areas, in order to enable them to report the cases without delay.

In conclusion, I would like to commend the hon the Minister because I heard him referring to, amongst others, signposts to safe schools, combating gender violence in schools, gender equity in schools, etc. I would like to urge the hon the Minister and the Department of Education that they should ensure that laws which have been enacted are implemented. Our children need to be protected in schools against gender violence. [Applause.]

The CHAIRPERSON OF COMMITTEES: Hon members, I will only make a ruling after we have checked whether that was an idiom, and whether and how the idiom translates in other languages. [Laughter.]

Mnr J HORNE: Geagte Voorsitter, agb Minister en lede van die Huis, seksuele teistering in skole word dwarsoor die wêreld ervaar, maar in Suid- Afrikaanse skole het dit ‘n wesenlike probleem geword wat daagliks aan die orde van die dag is. Daarom is dit goed dat daar vandag debat gevoer word oor hierdie ernstige misdryf. Dit dien vermeld te word dat daar reeds ‘n mosie aanvaar is in hierdie Huis met betrekking tot die genoemde probleem.

Die onderrig van ‘n kind staan op drie bene. Dit is soos ‘n driebeenpot. As een van die bene ingee, verloor die pot sy balans en dit kan nie meer regopstaan nie. Sodoende loop die pot die gevaar om sy inhoud te verloor. Die eerste been is die ouers. Hulle lê die fondament van die kind, en leer hom of haar die waardestelsels in die huis. Dit beteken die eerste opvoeders met wie die kind in sy lewe kennis maak, is sy ouers. Die ouers staan pertinent as die eerste opvoeders in die kind se lewe. Hul opvoedingstaak ken geen einde nie, maar is van die wieg tot die graf. Dit is deurlopend. Daarom kan die rol van die ouers nie oorbeklemtoon word nie.

Die tweede been is die kerk. Daar word die kind geloofswaardes aangeleer as deel van sy of haar vorming. Die kerk is onlosmaaklik verbind aan die kind dwarsdeur sy lewe. Daarom kan met reg gevra word: waarom is die kerk so stil terwyl hierdie misdryf astronomiese afmetings aanneem? Berigte rakende hierdie misdryf, seksuele teistering, het al in verskillende kerkkoerante verskyn, maar die kerk het nog niks daaroor gesê nie.

Die derde been is die skool. In die skool word die estetiese, die mooi, in die kind na vore gebring, en word hy of sy ontwikkel, gemotiveer en geaktiveer om sodoende eendag ‘n staanplek in die samelewing te vind.

Die genoemde rolspelers is van kardinale belang, want as een van die drie nie funksioneer nie, affekteer dit die vorming van die kind, met nadelige gevolge soos seksuele teistering wat voortydige swangerskappe in die hand werk. Dus kan ons met reg sê, die rooi ligte flikker in ons skole.

Wat ons vandag hier beleef is dat een been, naamlik die Departement van Onderwys, sy funksie verrig. Ondersoeke is geloods, aanbevelings is gedoen, planne is gemaak, probleme is geïdentifiseer, maar die ander twee rolspelers het nog nie betrokke geraak nie. Die euwel gaan dus rustig voort.

Hoewel die departement poog om hierdie misdrywe in skole te neutraliseer, berus optrede nie alleenlik by die staat nie, want dit is ‘n gemeenskapsprobleem. Dit versteur die harmonie in gemeenskappe.

Om hierdie misdryf die hoof te bied sal ‘n bewusmakingsveldtog geloods moet word sodat ouers weer hul primêre verantwoordelikheid ten opsigte van hul kinders kan besef, en aanvaar. Kerke sal moet opgeroep word om hul profetiese rol te vervul om sodoende ‘n veilige omgewing vir ons kinders te skep en te vestig.

As dit so is, kan die oproep van ons agb President, naamlik vir vrywillige werkers, gestalte kry, sodat ons skole weer ‘n ligpunt in ons gemeenskappe kan wees, en dat die skole weer vir ons kinders ‘n veilige hawe kan wees, sodat ons uiteindelik sal kan sê: hierdie skool staan in die teken, sodat dit met ons kinders goed mag gaan. [Applous.] (Translation of Afrikaans speech follows.)

[Mr J HORNE: Hon Chairperson, hon Minister and members of the House, sexual harassment in schools is experienced throughout the world today, but in South African schools it has become a substantial problem which has become the order of the day. It is therefore good that we are debating this serious misconduct today. It should be mentioned that a motion has already been accepted in this House with regard to the problem in question.

The education of a child rests on three legs. It is very much like a three- legged pot. If one of the legs gives way, the pot loses its balance and cannot stand upright any longer. Consequently the pot faces the danger of losing its contents.

The first leg is the parents. They lay the foundation of the child and teach him or her the value systems in the house. This means that the first educators the child meets in his or her life are its parents. The parents are clearly the first educators in the life of the child. Their education task knows no end, but is from the cradle to the grave. It is ongoing. For this reason the role of the parents cannot be overemphasised.

The second leg is the church. Here the child is taught religious values as part of his or her moulding. The church is inextricably bound to the child throughout its life. Therefore one could rightly ask: why is the church so quiet while this misconduct is reaching astronomical proportions? Articles regarding this misconduct, sexual harassment, have appeared in different church papers, but the church has not said anything about this yet.

The third leg is the school. At school the aesthetic, the beautiful, is brought to the fore in the child and he or she is developed, motivated and activated to take their place in society one day.

The mentioned role-players are of cardinal importance, because if one of the three does not function, it affects the moulding of the child with detrimental consequences such as sexual harassment which could lead to premature pregnancies. We can therefore rightly say that the red lights are flickering in our schools.

What we are experiencing here today is that one leg, namely the Department of Education, is performing its function. Investigations have been launched, recommendations have been made, plans have been made, problems have been identified, but the other two role-players have not yet become involved. The evil therefore continues untroubled.

Although the department aims to neutralise these misdeeds in schools, action does not rest with the state only, because it is a community problem. It disturbs the harmony in the community.

To stem this misconduct an awareness campaign should be launched so that parents can once again realise and accept their primary responsibility in terms of their children. Churches should be called upon to fulfil their prophetic role and, by so doing, to create and establish a safe environment for our children.

If this is so, the call of our hon President, namely for volunteer workers, can take shape so that our schools can once again become a beacon of light in our communities and that the schools can once again become a safe haven for our children so that eventually we will be able to say: this school stands as an example, so that it can go well with our children. [Applause.]] Mr I SEGALO (Free State): Chairperson, there are four issues that the Free State would like to deal with in relation to sexual violence and harassment in the schools, namely: the role of parents, the role of principals, the role of school governing bodies and the role of the departments of education in the provinces.

It is becoming increasingly clear that if we want to deal with the problem of sexual violence and harassment in the schools successfully, we will, amongst other things, need to work out, at a national level, an awareness- raising programme focused on the parents.

Going through the reports from most of the provinces, one thing becomes clear, and that is that parents of children coming from poor families often bless these relationships or love affairs between their daughters and teachers. Worse even is that when such cases are reported, such parents either keep silent or defend perpetrators by treating such problems as family matters. It has also become clear that in such relationships perpetrators are breadwinners, or sources of income to the affected families.

It is a well-known fact that our education system values the role of parents in the school system, as well as in the education of their children. Maybe we should even go as far as to suggest that action must be taken against such parents, especially in cases where there is evidence.

The role of parents of learners in this whole problem also brings into focus the role of our school governing bodies. One thing that also became clear in the Free State was that in almost all cases reported during public hearings it was evident that school governing bodies had no knowledge of such cases.

Principals also did not even bother to inform members of school governing bodies, even when such cases had become public knowledge during public hearings. There was no sense that school governing bodies of the affected schools were following up on such problems. It is, however, encouraging to see that in some of the provinces, as contained in the report, school governing bodies were taking part to resolve such problems in their schools.

Our province has worked out a plan to empower and capacitate members of school governing bodies so that they will be able to discharge their duties and tasks efficiently. Associations of school governing bodies in our province have also identified this problem, and they are also working hard to empower their affiliates so that they will be able to mobilise parents and participate actively in the education of their children.

We cannot leave the role of principals and the Department of Education behind when we develop solutions to this problem. Principals are at the centre of school organisations. Our experience in the Free State is that when one considers schools which perform well, one will always find strong, competent and effective managers, or principals, in such schools, principals who are able to take responsibility and maintain discipline in their schools. Equally so, in schools that do badly, one will always find principals who do not care, who are lazy and not innovative.

During our public hearings, it became clear that some principals were colluding with teachers, or perpetrators, to sweep reported cases under the carpet. In some cases principals themselves were perpetrators. It is our view that in order to find a solution to the problem of sexual violence and harassment in schools, any programme we put in place should also focus on principals.

Some of the principals do not even bother to inform the Department of Education. But in situations where our education departments in provinces know about such cases, managers of our departments and education MECS should be encouraged to take strong action against perpetrators.

It is disturbing to read in reports from other provinces that our education departments simply transfer perpetrators to other schools. That is not a solution, because the problem is just being transferred to another school. In the Free State our education MEC and the department of education promise to follow up on all those cases and take tough action against perpetrators. This morning I got the information that our department has already suspended some people involved.

We would also like to make some recommendations, as the Free State, which we think should be taken into account when solutions are worked out: that the department of education at the provincial level, in close co-operation with the Department of Social Development and the SA Police Service, should conduct a further inquiry into this matter; that every school’s code of conduct should prohibit sexual harassment and sexual relations between learners and educators; that sex education be encouraged so that learners have information about sexual harassment; that provision be made for those who want to volunteer information in camera during future public hearings; that social workers be appointed or visit schools regularly to detect tendencies of sexual violence; and also that school health services be strengthened so that school health nurses visit schools regularly. In conclusion we would like to express our gratitude and appreciation to the leadership of the NCOP and members of the education select committee, in particular the chairperson, Mr Kgware, and Mr Raju for the manner in which they co-ordinated with our province during the public hearings. The people of the Free State really appreciated the public hearings and the role of the NCOP, and the people are, in fact, asking for more public hearings. [Applause.]

Ms B D CREECY (Gauteng): Chairperson, the public hearings that the provinces conducted on sexual harassment have highlighted a serious problem in our society, a problem that has flourished in a culture of silence for many decades, a silence fuelled by social prejudice and pressure that prevent principals and school governing bodies from tackling it head on.

The high incidence of rape and sexual violence against children in our society has been well documented. According to the 1998 SAPS Child Protection Unit statistics, rape constitutes one third of all serious crimes against children in our country. The hon the Minister has already alluded to the 1998 report that found that one third of all child rapists were teachers. This does not make all educators rapists. There are tens of thousands of educators that are deeply sickened by the unethical behaviour of a minority of their colleagues.

Teenage boys also play a role in sexual harassment and violence in schools. Our public hearings found that they play a substantial role in teasing, harassing and, at times, gang-raping girl students on school premises and on the way to and from school.

The effects of sexual violence and harassment on girl learners are devastating. Apart from the physical and psychological trauma the girls suffer, there is the spectre of unwanted pregnancies and sexually transmitted diseases including HIV and Aids. Many girls report that after sexual attacks they are unable to concentrate. They feel fear and shame. Some of them are forced to sit in classrooms with their assailants. The result is that many of them drop out of school long before they reach matric.

The impact on the school as an institution is also devastating. Conflicts develop between principals and educators and amongst educators and learners; learners take sides with victims or with perpetrators and school communities are torn apart. Respect for authority and discipline breaks down and the culture of teaching and learning is undermined.

As the hon the Minister has already pointed out, regulations to the South African Schools Act and the code of ethics of the SA Council for Educators specifically prohibit relationships between educators and learners. The Sasa regulations also prevent sexual harassment and violence between learners.

Yet principals and school governing bodies by and large remain paralysed in the face of this problem. One reason for their inaction does lie within the incomplete transformation of the criminal justice system in dealing with sexual offences, but perhaps as important are the social prejudices and pressures which lead school management to trivialise these offences. In the words of one 17-year-old learner:

I think they, the school administration, don’t really know how it affects us. Maybe to them it’s a big joke, but to me - it is not to me. I was not laughing or playing. It really bothers me.

The structures of our society which make boys and men dominant and girls and women subordinate create a culture of entitlement. This culture of entitlement leads some male teachers to exploit their position of trust and authority for sexual favours. It causes school management to turn a blind eye to serious breaches of professional ethics. It results in parents failing to support their daughters in the face of abuse or agreeing to cover up the shame to the family name with fines or other financial incentives.

The hearings that have taken place so far have documented the scope and nature of this problem. They have also documented the failure of educational institutions and authorities to deal effectively with sexual abuse in schools. Next month in Gauteng we will hold hearings that focus on solutions to this problem. We will be engaging principals, educators, students and parents in a public debate on why existing measures have failed to stop sexual harassment and violence. We will be asking them to consider what steps need to be taken to help everyone concerned to have more confidence in dealing with this matter.

Our committee’s preparatory policy research suggests that while regulations and protocols exist, these are generic in nature. They do not spell out exactly what sexual violence is or what harassment is. There is little in the existing law that forces school management to follow regulations and protocols. There is no sanction for administrations which fail to protect girl learners in the first place or refuse to act decisively once they have been violated. I am told that 15 years ago this problem was widespread in British schools. It was stopped by making offences and protocols clear, simple and user- friendly and by promoting a culture of zero tolerance for sexual offences in schools. We look to the hon the Minister and his department to spearhead such a campaign so that all girls may enjoy their right to learn without fear. [Applause.]

Ms N JAJULA (Eastern Cape): Chairperson, the subject under debate today touches the hearts of the majority in South Africa. I will not go into details with the reports and so on but I need to share the idea of realising the challenge that is facing South Africa today. It has been happening for some time, but looking at the statistics attached to the matter we are debating, it appears to be increasing by the day.

The teaching profession, noble as it is, is being penetrated by people who infect the profession with this behaviour. The most unfortunate situation is that when parents send a child to school, they are sending that child in order to build that child to be a future leader of a future nation and to contribute to the socioeconomic situation of the country. But the end product, due to the matter under debate today, is that zombies are being created at our schools.

The child that has been frustrated and humiliated - the Minister indicated several actions that are defined under sexual violence - dies immediately after the act. Therefore that child will never survive for the next few years that lie ahead of him or her.

The situation of sexual violence does not choose whether one is male or female. We visited some schools where the boys were actually harrassed by teachers at those schools - little boys at the age of eight. As we were talking to them, tears were flowing down their cheeks. The challenge is: Where do we get our future leaders as South Africans?

We are faced with a situation where society has denied the child a space to survive and the right to grow up as a person. We are challenged, and it is a special challenge to our men in this country. It is time they took the lead in actually driving the processes of eradicating this scourge.

It does seem to be focusing on who the ladies are that are driving this process. But the situation has got to be driven by our male counterparts in the whole of South Africa. For us, in order to gain back the values and norms of society, we need to stand together as South Africans, from all organisations and all sectors, and find a solution to the situation. And the solution is, first, introspection. What is our contribution? What have we done in order to correct the situation, as a person, father, mother or uncle? This shifts it altogether from the teaching profession and says that they are the people, but one must check one’s relationship with that teacher. Am I not linked to that person in one way or another? And what have we done in order to correct that person?

The laws and policies from the Department of Education are clear on the situation. But what is more serious and uncomfortable is: Why are those not implemented, in order to bring the perpetrators properly to book? Therefore I think the Department of Justice and Constitutional Development has got to fast-track, to make sure that the law is implemented.

At the same time, the Department of Education is not doing a favour to the victims by suspending the perpetrator. This is comfortable cossetting of the person with a comfortable salary, staying at home and gaining more money, while doing nothing. It is time that we found a way to suspend the person without pay. [Interjections.] Let the person feel the pain that the victims have suffered for many years.

We have seen as perpetrators teachers that are knowingly and wittingly infecting these children with HIV-positive blood. What is the objective of doing that? It is killing the nation.

We have seen children who were good, focused science students. Today, this year, on a follow-up visit from the Eastern Cape, they are not at school. The teachers are sitting at home, comfortable with a comfortable salary. I think it is time we found a way to fast-track the suspension. The ill- treatment by these people should not be sympathised with. And an end to this should be realised by all of us. The department should ensure that in all institutions under its control, at all levels, the victims should not be victims of all circumstances at all levels.

They have to be protected, and if anyone is found to be protecting the perpetrator at the expense of the victim, action must be taken against that one as well, because the laws are clear. Therefore it is time that we, as South Africans, together from all sectors, especially the teacher organisations - some of which are protecting perpetrators at the expense of the principals that are reporting these issues - stood together and fought this uncomfortable situation that is being created all over the country and restored the dignity and ethics of the teaching professions. [Applause.]

Mr J M MTHEMBU (Mpumalanga): Chairperson, hon Minister, it is indeed a pleasure for us to be part of this important discussion. We would like to indicate that we see this problem as a societal one. Indeed, it is not a problem that is limited to our schools. Those of us who were engaged in these public hearings have heard of hair-raising stories, related by kids and members of communities, that, indeed, some people who are fathers to some of the children abuse them.

We have heard of instances of uncles abusing their own little ones. We have heard of ministers of religious groups abusing children, learners abusing other learners, workers abusing learners, perhaps because the learners find themselves destitute. Indeed, those who think that they have money will then do everything in relation to the bodies of those learners and get away with murder.

Therefore, as the Mpumalanga province, we are of the opinion that we should not limit our focus to teachers only. That is unfair because, indeed, all of us, particularly men, seem to be engaged in these activities. At least 99,9% of the harrowing acts we heard about seemed to be perpetrated by the species called men. Very, very few, if any, perpetrators during our public hearings happened to be women. Very few! I am not very sure that there were any. Therefore, in our approach to deal with this matter, we must ensure that men are part of the solution to this problem.

Indeed, we have called a consultative meeting in Mpumalanga to try and look at what it is that has gone amiss with us as a society. We have called on nongovernmental organisations, community-based organisations, churches, professional bodies including the unions and departments, including the Department of Education, to find ways and means of dealing with this matter. We are happy to pronounce that we have come up with a partnership against all forms of abuse in Mpumalanga - a partnership not only against the abuse of little kids who are of school-going age, but also against the abuse of women, because, as we have said, the children of school-going age who are abused are from the female species, and indeed, it is no accident that in later years, when they are adult women and mothers, they then continue to suffer the same indignity.

Therefore we have decided to take this whole matter holistically and accept that, indeed, there seems to be a problem with the power relations that define males and females, not only in this country, but in the whole world. We have to deal effectively with those power relations. We have got to declare sexual violence a priority crime.

We fully concur with the Minister and everybody else who says that anyone who sexually violates any person has, indeed, violated the human rights of that person. Therefore, that person should not find it easy to get paid. He should not. That person should also not find it easy to get out without first being successfully prosecuted for many, many years and, indeed we should throw the key away.

We are saying that there should be an integrated approach between the various departments: the Department of Education on matters educational in relation to the sexual violence; the department that deals with social welfare; the Department of Justice; and the department that includes the police. That interaction should find concrete expression at a local or municipal level through the establishment of victim-empowerment centres. This is because, throughout the length and the breadth of our province, when we went on public hearings on this matter, there was nowhere for teachers to go who see kids faced with this problem and also nowhere get help and counselling. Indeed, teachers who tried to intervene in this matter had their lives threatened by the perpetrators. There was nobody ready to assist them when they were visited at night by the perpetrators and when indeed the perpetrators had been thrown to the police.

We are therefore suggesting to the Minister and this august House that there should be trained teachers who can deal with issues of counselling in the schools, because already we have identified this as a problem. We should, indeed, at least budget for teachers who will actually be doing the counselling, not only of the kids but also of teachers who need counselling after trying to assist kids who have been violated.

We therefore suggest also that there should be a provincial and national men’s indaba at which this main species, that is supposed to be the perpetrating party, comes together and really relooks at itself. Those of us who are saying we are not doing this, must then be heard to be saying, ``We are not doing this.’’ We must also come up with ways and means of assisting our kids and assisting our women who get abused almost every day.

We concur with other speakers that all those who are found, particularly in the Department of Education, to be engaged in these exercises of sexual abuse, should not be transferred to other schools, as we have found in our province, but should be dismissed. We fully agree and we concur with the Minister.

We also suggest that there should be a campaign of sexual rights awareness in the country - a broad campaign that tells us what sexual rights are and how sexual rights relate to the broader context of human rights. Indeed, in this regard in our province, we have established a task team at provincial level that will ensure that task teams are formed at district levels and at municipal levels to ensure that the communities are galvanised around these issues so that the communities can indeed, as the Minister has said, ``break the silence on these issues of sexual abuse’’.

If we had more time we would have continued, but seeing that we have only been allocated 10 minutes, we will therefore give way to other speakers. [Applause.]

Rev M CHABAKU: Madam Chair, hon Ministers that are here, hon members, MECs and visitors, allow me to begin my speech with a quote from a young girl who had just experienced a gruesome act of sexual violence not far from her school:

I survived and yet I wish I had died. I cannot cope with fear, the recurrent nightmares of my life being at risk. I cannot close my eyes to sleep. I am scared if I do I won’t see someone trying to creep up on me. So I lie there until I am too exhausted to keep them open.

This is a clear reflection of a shattered soul. It is one girl’s story that tells the story of many other children who have experienced the same ordeal, who have been innocent victims of sexual violence, abuse or harassment in our society. This is a cry of an innocent child who has been robbed of her innocence in a brutal way and, possibly, who may not live like a normal girl of her age for she is always in constant fear.

Is this the kind of life we want for our children? What can we do as Government, as leadership, as a nation, as a society, as communities and as parents to deal with this kind of unacceptable immoral act which is on the rise, with our children being the victims? Surely, we cannot sit back and do nothing, hoping that things will change on their own? Children at school have been common targets of violent sexual acts recently. The number of reported cases is escalating to a point at which one wonders what is happening in our society. Research conducted has shown that sexual violence at schools is on the rise, the largest group of perpetrators being the teachers.

In my province the following has been noted: Sexually harassed learners drop out of school to avoid embarrassment, learners mistrust school educators, school authorities fail to respond and learners think it is acceptable to have sexual relationships with educators. The list is endless.

When I read the report on sexual violence in my province, I asked myself the following questions: Has the moral fibre of our society thinned so much that teachers are no longer the parents and protectors of our learners at schools? Are they no longer guardians of our children in our absence as parents? They have now become the perpetrators and predators of these immoral acts.

I have been reminded about the events during the 1960s in a small Free State town called Excelsior, when some farmers went on the rampage and raped children and female workers on the farms. Fearing being beaten or evicted, they succumbed. The media exposed this horror. Children’s names and faces appeared in papers, but the names and faces of the farmers were never mentioned. Some of the farmers committed suicide. Others received light sentences. One 54-year-old claimed to have been enticed by an eight- year-old.

Children are supposed to be protected, guided and taught the difference between what is right and what is wrong. One must give them a chance to be children, and not rob them of their youth and innocence, so that they can grow up and be responsible adults who will have the wisdom to distinguish between what is wrong and what is right.

Schools are supposed to serve a distinctive constituency and play a particular educational and socialising role with respect to young people. They are supposed to provide the foundation of a general education, as well as more specific knowledge and skills that pre-empt youth. They are supposed to provide for a safe and secure environment for our children. But, recently, the contrary, the opposite is happening.

We have to work together as a unit, as different political parties, as society at large in dealing with this challenge. We have to set in motion programmes which aim to protect our children from sexual violence. These programmes have to be integrated into normal school curriculums. They should be designed to enhance protective measures, targeting all forms of abuse.

In a recent African-American weekly publication called The Final Call of 22 January 2002, they tested the top ten TV programmes that are watched by African-Americans in the United States. I have distributed copies to some hon members around here. The irony of it is that contrary to what is happening in South Africa, none of those people watch The Bold and the Beautiful or Days of Our Lives, and yet our people stay glued to such morally degenerate shows. These are the kinds of shows that mislead our youth and confuse them to the extent that they also feel the need to compete with these programmes which show bedroom life in broad daylight. These programmes encourage children to mimic what they see on TV, no matter how morally misleading those things are.

This is where our positive desire to learn and be part of the world is cheaply exploited. These shows do not enhance our Africanness. They deceive and corrupt our young people by portraying sex as the main thing in life. Sex is a precious gift from God for consenting adults within marriage. [Interjections.]

The media is really a good tool to promote moral values. The media can also play a vital role in this war against sexual violence and towards changing perceptions about sex and restoring morality in our society. The media can help create awareness, and it is a powerful instrument which can be used to fight the degradation of our moral fibre, which makes people take sex for granted to the point where they do not see anything wrong with sexually violating others, in particular our children. In a nutshell, the mass media can assist in setting the agenda for broad communitywide awareness, promoting our dying values and inculcating respect for humanity and children’s rights.

The children of today are our future. They are our present and our tomorrow. If we invest in them, we are investing in the future of our society. But if we destroy them, we are destroying our future, the very nerve of our society and we will be to blame. Let us value our children, they are the sons and daughters of the soil. Let us love and not abuse them. It is time we stood up to these teachers and other adults, such as paedophiles, and all males who abuse and exploit children. Let us rise up and be the voice of the voiceless children. Our actions of today will impact on how they will learn tomorrow.

These offenders can change their behaviour and take responsibility by taking care of the scars they have caused on the lives of our national treasure.

Abantwana bethu! Izwe lethu! [Our children! Our land!]. [Interjections.] [Applause.]

Ms J MASHAMBA (Northern Province): Chairperson, hon Minister, hon members of the House, I am pleased to share our experience of sexual harassment and violence in schools as manifest in the Limpopo province. [Interjections.]

My preamble should, however, not be misinterpreted as to mean that I derive pleasure from learning about sexual offences perpetrated against schoolgirls. On the contrary, my pleasure emanates from the fact that for the first time the issue of sexual violence in schools has been put high on the agenda of important organs such as the NCOP.

Hon members will recall that in July 1999 Minister Kader Asmal announced in his call to action nine educational priorities aimed at the revitalisation of the South African education and training system. The Minister condemned the unacceptably high level of violence in general, and sexual harassment in particular, within our schools.

The challenge that faces us as public representatives therefore is to reclaim our schools as centres of peace, tranquillity and stability, which aspects are preconditions for effective teaching and learning. It is commendable that this House has selected sexual violence in schools as an intervention focus.

One of the reasons school-based sexual violence should be chosen as an area of focus is that schools are the most important institutions for youth development. After the family, the school is arguably the most important space for young people to establish relationships, values and the basis for future life choices. The school becomes an even more important site as a child enters early adolescence and family influences are challenged and diluted by peers and other external factors.

Although there is a significant lack of data on this issue, there is a generalised perception that violence within schools is increasing. The current lack of proper safety and security measures within most schools undermines the ability of schools to achieve their educational and developmental objectives. There is a general universal agreement amongst people of all social strata that schools are an important focus for social change.

If schools were effectively transformed, they could become a significant shop floor for positive social change, especially in a country like ours where in the past schools have been used to perpetuate the obnoxious system of social injustice, inferiority and superiority complexes, racism, intolerance and all kinds of societal vices one can think of.

Coming back to the situation analysis as it relates to sexual violence in the Limpopo province, there are 20 sexual abuse cases which have been reported throughout the seven regions of our province. Out of the 20 cases referred to above, five disciplinary hearings have been concluded so far. Four educators who were charged with the sexual molestation of schoolgirls have since been dismissed from service, and we are currently awaiting a report on how one of the finalised cases has been resolved or concluded.

In one instance an educator passed away - may his soul rest in peace - before the case could be finalised. Disciplinary hearings for the other 14 cases of sexual abuse of learners are scheduled to be concluded between this month and the end of March 2002. We have in all instances ensured that the rights of suspects are respected in terms of the Constitution, the Labour Relations Act and any other relevant legislative framework and/or regulations relating to the procedures to be followed when handling such cases.

Ukunquma umphambili [castration] should not be the route to go. We believe that a nation of an eye for an eye will only make our world blind. So I would like to say to my brother over there that we should not go that route. Let us use the voice of reason.

The cases I have referred to relate to incidents of rape in the broader context of sexual intercourse between male and female without the express consent of the latter. There are, however, numerous sexual abuse incidents such as sexual intercourse between male adult educators and minor schoolgirls. In one instance, a 50-year-old principal sexually abused a 12- year-old Grade 6 primary school girl under the guise that they were in love.

There are instances in which educators denigrate schoolgirls by fondling their breasts, pinching their buttocks, kissing them, etc. More often than not, such cases are not reported because our children have not been educated on the various forms of sexual abuse and their right to report such abuse to the powers that be. We will therefore need to go on a vigorous civic education drive to teach our children, parents and ordinary members of the community about their basic human rights as enshrined in the Constitution.

The same goes for sexual abuse perpetrated by schoolboys against schoolgirls. We need to educate schoolboys not to see girls as sex pets or objects of gratification, but rather as their sisters and colleagues, who are not less life-loving than they are and who are their equals.

Much as one would have liked to delve into other categories of school violence, time limitations negate this. However, one may point out that in the Northern Province incidents of educators assaulting learners corporally, despite the outlawing of corporal punishment, are rife. In the province we had 12 cases of violence in schools, ranging from corporal punishment to educators pointing firearms at learners and colleagues. In one instance we had an educator shooting and killing a principal.

One widely reported case is the one involving an educator who was punishing a learner with a stick when a wooden splinter pierced the eye of another learner, and that learner, as we speak today, has an irreparably damaged eye. The educator in question has since been dismissed and disciplinary cases against others are under way. I want to say that I was so annoyed when I received an appeal from this educator, who said that she was appealing because her intention had not been to hurt the said child, because she had been aiming at another child. I dismissed that appeal. It was senseless.

However, we are the first to admit that more often than not cases have dragged on a long time before being finalised. The delay in the finalisation of cases has in the main been caused by understaffing of the labour relations unit at both the provincial and regional level. I also want to say that in some instances one finds that men protect one another, because people who are in labour relations units are mostly male. When a case comes and the perpetrator is a man, there is that solidarity, which is very unhealthy.

I am, however, pleased to announce that the restructuring of the department’s organogram has been completed and the labour relations unit will receive our top priority in ensuring that cases of the perpetrators of these horrible crimes are concluded expeditiously. It must, however, be noted that in all sexual offence cases the suspects are suspended as soon as formal charges are brought against them. I have indicated that there have been 20 cases reported. This is just the tip of an iceberg. In most instances, the sexual abuse of learners … [Time expired.]

Adv A H GAUM (Western Cape): Chairperson, the prevalence and extreme nature of sexual abuse and sexual harassment of children have over the last few months sent shockwaves throughout our country and left us with a sense of disbelief, anger and numbness. One of the most beautiful things in life has become one of the ugliest symptoms of a sick society. One can only imagine the damage done to children who are exposed to these destructive elements. Recently, shocking statistics for 2001 were made public by the Child Protection Unit of the SAPS, demonstrating the destructive effect of child abuse with regard to distorting the social and emotional development of children.

Judging from these statistics, the tendency for children to direct violent acts, including sexual abuse and sexual harassment, onto other children is prevalent and escalating. For various reasons, victims of child abuse often say nothing about what has been or is being done to them but simply suffer in silence. Therefore, putting a stop to child abuse, and in particular sexual abuse and sexual harassment of children, requires everybody’s purposeful action.

The protection of children is not the responsibility of statutory and formal welfare organisations only, but the legal duty of every citizen. All of us must accept joint responsibility for our children. Are people responsive to the more serious acts of sexual abuse as we have recently seen in news reports, ignoring other forms of this problem, or are they just ignorant? Should not everyone be informed about and sensitive to all forms of sexual harassment and put a stop to it, where initial signs of sexual harassment emerge?

To address the problem, everyone concerned should be well informed about how to deal effectively with incidents and be enabled to identify sexual harassment in its various forms of unwanted physical, verbal or nonverbal conduct of a sexual nature. My department has undoubtedly the vital role of addressing all forms of sexual abuse and sexual violence.

The issues of sexuality and sexual abuse are addressed in various ways. Firstly, life orientation is a compulsory and examinable learning area in the new curriculum. All schools must offer this learning area and we will see to it that it is implemented. It is important to understand that sexuality and sexual harassment are not matters that should be seen and dealt with in isolation. They form part of the total life experience. Programmes that deal with this issue will have to take this into consideration.

This programme addresses the development of life skills but also sexuality education, including sexual harassment and sexual abuse in general. Over and above this, these problems are also dealt with in the HIV/Aids programme in our schools on which we will spend approximately R11 million in the next financial year. Over and above the formal education programmes that are directed at this serious issue, educators, school medical personnel and social workers are required by law to respond to signs of child abuse in terms of section 15 of the Child Care Amendment Act of 1996. To this end, the Western Cape education department and other concerned parties have compiled a policy document called, ``Abuse No More’’, dealing effectively with child abuse. The document provides guidelines on how to deal properly and effectively with incidents of child abuse and how to protect the rights of learners, particularly their right to safety and personal security. A copy of this document, a summary of it and a training video were distributed in all the institutions of the Western Cape department.

An awareness campaign was launched by the end of 2001 and by 20 February 2002 parents, governing bodies and educators will have been informed and sensitised with regard to this policy. Training is ongoing to ensure the effective implementation of the specified reporting and managing procedure in dealing with instances of child abuse. The policy document distributed to schools addresses the following: how to identify child abuse, the management of suspected abuse, dealing with disclosure, dealing with alleged offenders and intervention.

Artikel 17 van die Wet op die Indiensneming van Opvoeders, Wet 76 van 1998, maak dit uiters duidelik dat opvoeders wat skuldig bevind word aan seksuele misdrywe, uit diens ontslaan moet word. Die Wes-Kaapse onderwysdepartement is daartoe verbind om hierdie reëls streng toe te pas en om ‘n duidelike boodskap uit te stuur aan al ons opvoeders. Daar is nie plek in ons skole vir seksuele teisteraars, molesteerders en verkragters nie.

Dit is egter noodsaaklik vir die effektiewe hantering van seksuele misbruik dat ‘n multidissiplinêre benadering ingestel word, waar die gemeenskap en ander departemente, sowel as individue, betrokke is in die proses van identifisering, verwysing, ondersteuning en intervensie. ‘n Doeltreffende strategie behels ook ‘n stelsel van gesamentlike aanspreeklikheid en verantwoordelikheid op inligtingsvlak en op distriksvlak om klagtes en insidente van kindermisbruik te monitor en te ondersoek.

My department beskou die beleidsdokument, ``Stop Misbruik’’ as ‘n belangrike instrument in die bestryding van kindermisbruik. Ons sien daarna uit om in vennootskap met ouers, onderwysers en ander rolspelers saam te werk om hierdie euwel te bekamp, en om ‘n omgewing wat veilig en vry van seksuele teistering is vir al ons kinders te verseker.

In hierdie opsig wil ek graag vandag die prinsipaal van Nomsa Maponqwana Primary, mev Tywakadi, uitsonder en loof vir haar uiters effektiewe en vinnige optrede na aanleiding van ‘n beweerde oortreding van een van die onderwysers by haar skool. Die persoon is onmiddellik geskors en ‘n ondersoek na die voorval is gelas.

Ons kan eenvoudig nie meer tyd verspil om hierdie euwel uit te roei nie, en oortreders kan geen simpatie te wagte wees nie. (Translation of Afrikaans paragraphs follows.)

[Section 17 of the Employment of Educators Act, Act 76 of 1998, makes it very clear that educators who are found guilty of sexual offences must be dismissed. The Western Cape education department is committed to the strict application of these rules and to sending out a clear message to all our educators. There is no room in our schools for people who are guilty of sexual harassment, molestation and rape.

However, it is essential for the effective handling of sexual abuse that a multidisciplinary approach be adopted, where the community and other departments, as well as individuals, are involved in the process of identification, referral, support and intervention. An efficient strategy also entails a system of joint accountability and responsibility at an informational and the district level so that complaints and incidents of child abuse can be monitored and investigated.

My department regards the policy document ``Abuse No More’’ as an important instrument in combating child abuse. We look forward to collaborating with parents, teachers and other role-players in fighting this scourge, and to ensuring an environment that is safe and free from sexual harassment for all our children.

In this respect I today wish to single out and praise the principal of Nomsa Maponqwana Primary, Mrs Tywakadi, for her most effective and speedy action on account of an alleged transgression by one of the teachers at her school. The person was suspended immediately and an investigation into the incident was launched.

We simply cannot waste any more time in eradicating this scourge and offenders cannot expect any sympathy.]

Every single person who deals with our children should know that if they abuse, misuse or violate our children, we shall track them down and bring them to book. They should be warned that we shall regard an attack on our innocent children as an attack on all of us. We have no patience left. They should change their ways or face the full force of the law. We are united in our common purpose to remove this evil from our society. [Applause.]

Mr B J TOLO: Chairperson, hon Minister and hon members of this House, there is no doubt in our mind as a select committee that sexual violence and rape do occur in our schools far too frequently for us to ignore. It seems to us that this problem has been there for a long time, as other speakers have already mentioned. The problem is that it has either been ignored, underreported or even reported as something on the periphery that does not need any attention.

As a country, we can no longer be lukewarm to this festering cancer that is corroding our society. It has to be tackled head-on, if we are serious about realising the ideals we set ourselves in the Constitution in this country, particularly in the chapter that deals with the Bill of Rights. For if we fail to protect our children in schools, history will judge us harshly.

This means, therefore, that all of us need to review what our resources are in schools - school governing bodies, teachers and everybody who is directly or indirectly involved with the education of our children - with the aim of sorting out this problem.

As the ANC and other progressive forces in this country, we fought very hard against the apartheid education system in order to put in place the type of education envisaged in the Freedom Charter. Some had to go through the valley of the shadow of death for us to realise that type of education which will mould our children to be balanced future citizens who will positively contribute to the wellbeing of this nation.

It seems to us that we now have to fight with equal vigour for the rights of our children to be safe from sexual violence in schools.

We must hasten to say, as others have already indicated, that there are very many good educators out there whose morals and values cannot be questioned. But there is also a group of educators - a tiny minority, though - who are guilty of this offence and nothing is done to them because violence and threats of violence are used to intimidate children into silence. They abuse their status and authority in schools to ensure that abuse is unreported.

The Employment of Educators Act passed in 1998 outlines the conduct of all educators. This Act mentions specifically, in section 17(1)(b) that sexual violence in schools is regarded as a serious offence which might lead to dismissal, as the Minister has indicated. Unfortunately, this clause is seldom invoked, as the public hearings have shown. The case of Ndabeni Secondary School in the Eastern Cape and many others prove this.

In 1975, when I left college to join the teaching fraternity, I was told by my tutors then that teaching was a noble profession - in fact, a calling; that not every Tom, Dick and Harry can become a teacher. They also told me that one has to have morals and morale that are beyond reproach to become a teacher. In some instances it does seem that some teachers - few as they may be - will not pass this test. It seems that from time to time we get one or two rotten potatoes filtering through and joining those in whose hands we entrust the education of our children.

Jean Jacques Rousseau, an educationist, said that a child is born a tabula rasa - that is, the mind of a child at birth is like a clean slate, and what we do and say will then be imprinted onto the mind of the child. The same can be said about a child who goes to school. That child’s mind or brain is relatively like a blank slate. Whatever the teacher does or says, good or bad, is imprinted on the mind of the child. We as a nation, therefore, have a duty to protect our children. School governing bodies and management structures can and must play a vital role in creating a protective environment, especially when it comes to reporting the crime.

According to Human Rights Watch, counsellors assisting child victims of sexual abuse maintain that the manner in which girls are treated, after a rape or sexual assault, by teachers, school officials or even family members is the reason why most attacks are unreported. Clearly, the victims need to be handled with extra care, sensitivity and compassion if we do not want victims to withdraw themselves.

The question of safety in our schools cannot be overemphasised. The report from the public hearings states in no uncertain terms the dire need to have proper safety measures in place in schools to ensure that the safety of children is guaranteed. We must call upon all educators, students through learner representative bodies, SGBs and all communities to engage in a rigorous and vigorous campaign to ensure safety in schools.

In conclusion, as the ANC, we are committed to what we said in 1955 in the Freedom Charter, as we said before, namely that the doors of learning and culture shall be opened to all. Amongst other things, we meant that school buildings and school grounds would be free from intimidation and violence of whatever nature. We meant that these places would be conducive to proper teaching and learning. In this year of the volunteer, we want to call upon all communities to help form democratic structures in the communities and in schools. These structures will be friendly to all and will enable abused students to break the silence. [Applause.]

The MINISTER OF EDUCATION: Chairperson, I am due in the other House, actually, to close the debate on education. I would like to have spoken at greater length here.

Can I say that it was a very thoughtful debate and, I think, a very serious debate, not just because the topic required it but because there were people who were speaking from their own sense of shock and amazement. But let us begin the basis, however unpleasant it may be, that we have failed our children. I like - now that he is on our side - Andre Gaum’s propaganda on what they are doing in the Western Cape, but it still remains propaganda at that level.

We have failed our children. We have become an acquisitive and cold society based on instant gratification, whether sexual or material. We have failed because we have lost the sense of compassion, the sense that drove us, through the whole liberation struggle, of solidarity, of refusal to accept any form of oppression. So it is my point of view, that we have failed our kids. We have failed the most vulnerable people in our society, and that is why it is very important that these debates should be held everywhere, because they are part of consciousness-raising. It is not good enough to have them here in the NCOP; we have to have them in the provinces. It is the provinces that are going to implement those wonderful laws that we have. The provinces will take disciplinary action and suspend them without pay, because the law allows that, and not suspension, as in one case in the North West, for two or three years. These are instant hearings. It is a law that encourages people to also sue the transgressor for remedies for the violation of integrity. Of course, one cannot wait for the criminal law. We must make sure, in fact, that disciplinary action is taken for breach of contract at the provincial level and by the SA Council for Educators. This will, in fact, revive faith in the teaching profession. It will revive faith in the profession itself as guardian.

I am sure I do not agree with the chairperson that the school is a microcosm of our general society. That would, in fact, be an appalling thing. Our general society, as I said, is acquisitive, it is based on decadent aspects of living, and in many cases the morality and ethics come from Big Brother for example, where there is very little said for our schools. So our schools are not a microcosm. As somebody said, our schools are loving places. They ought to be loving places. If they were to become a microcosm of society outside, then many of us would stop our interest in education altogether.

We want to build up the schools so that they are places of love, compassion and that kind of idealism that does allow young people to grow and develop.

The third point is that some existing customs have to be opposed. Virginity tests, which have a sexual undertone, are humiliating. These tests are obscene in my view, in the same way as initiation ceremonies, which the national Council of Education Ministers yesterday proposed should be banned. All initiation ceremonies, in my view, have a sexual undertone.

Thirdly, we have to recognise that we are a patriarchal society. My brother Kgware, the chairperson of the select committee, asked: Why does this continue? Partly because we are mostly a patriarchal society. The value judgments are, in fact, raised, determined, succoured and assisted by male and masculine positions, and therefore one of the practices we must stop is the right of so-called young men to prove the fertility of women. What happens there, where it is through rape or consent, is that the life of that young person is destroyed altogether; remember that. Schooling goes out of the window, and everything else, with repudiation by family. Consent has nothing to do with it. We call it statutory rape if one has intercourse with someone under the age of 16, I think. In fact, it is always statutory rape, because men, acting out of patriarchy, have expectations, and their expectations have to be met, and therefore we have this rather extraordinary situation.

We must oppose that as we oppose initiation ceremonies, and of course the extraordinary amount of alcohol that is drunk by young people encourages this kind of behaviour, particularly by men. The cold society that we live in is a society which needs a little bit of values which are gentle and loving. I say this because there are various other things that I could have said about what we are doing now, particularly consultations with the teacher unions and school governing bodies. We started on this maybe two years ago. But as I said, we started on this because we have failed our pupils. But now we must redeem ourselves. By redeeming ourselves, we will redeem the most vulnerable in our society.

Remember what a wonderful man said once? Suffer little children to come unto me.'' A great man said that, and it stood for all those values that we want in our society, of justice and all the other things. I want to respond, therefore, to some remarkable contributions made by Mr Horne and others, who may not come from my own political tradition, but I do not think political traditions are as important here as one's ethical position. -Suffer little children to come unto me’’ is something that should guide everything we do. [Applause.]

Debate concluded.

The Council adjourned at 16:46. ____

            ANNOUNCEMENTS, TABLINGS AND COMMITTEE REPORTS

                      MONDAY, 19 NOVEMBER 2001 ANNOUNCEMENTS:

National Assembly and National Council of Provinces:

  1. The Speaker and the Chairperson:
 (1)    The Joint Tagging Mechanism (JTM) on 19 November 2001  in  terms
     of Joint Rule 160(6), classified the  following  Bill  as  a  money
     Bill (section 77):


     (i)     Unemployment Insurance Contributions Bill  [B  85  -  2001]
          (National Assembly - sec 77).

TABLINGS:

National Council of Provinces:

  1. The Chairperson:
 The President of the Republic submitted the following letter, dated  13
 November 2001, to the Chairperson of the National Council of  Provinces
 informing Parliament of the employment of the  South  African  National
 Defence Force:


     Dear Ms Pandor,


     REPORT IN TERMS OF  SECTION  201(3)  OF  THE  CONSTITUTION  OF  THE
     REPUBLIC OF SOUTH AFRICA, 1996 (ACT 108 OF 1996) ON THE  EMPLOYMENT
     OF THE SOUTH AFRICAN NATIONAL DEFENCE FORCE  IN  TERMS  OF  SECTION
     (201)(2)(c) OF THE CONSTITUTION, 1996  IN  THE  FULFILLMENT  OF  AN
     INTERNATIONAL  OBLIGATION  TOWARDS  THE  ORGANISATION  FOR  AFRICAN
     UNITY PEACE EFFORT IN THE COMORES


     This serves to inform the National Council of Provinces that on  12
     November 2001, the Acting President authorised  the  employment  of
     South African National  Defence  Force  personnel  to  the  Federal
     Islamic Republic of the Comores in fulfillment of an  international
     obligation. This employment was authorised in accordance  with  the
     provisions of Sections 82(4)(b)(ii)  of  the  Constitution  of  the
     Republic of South  Africa,  1993  (Act  No  200  of  1993),  [which
     continues to be in force in terms of Item 24(1) of  Schedule  6  to
     the Constitution of the Republic of South Africa, 1996 (Act No  108
     of 1996)], as well as Section 201(2)(c) of  the  said  Constitution
     of 1996, as read with Section  227(1)(b)  of  the  Constitution  of
     1993.


     This employment is in response to a request from  the  Organisation
     of African Unity to employ a Member of the Permanent Force  of  the
     South African  National  Defence  Force  for  service  as  Military
     Advisor in  the  Federal  Islamic  Republic  of  the  Comores.  The
     deployment is in compliance with the  Republic  of  South  Africa's
     international  obligations  towards  the  Organisation  of  African
     Unity, for participation  in  the  Organisation  of  African  Unity
     efforts in the Comores and to advise the Sub-Committee  on  Weapons
     Collection and Reinsertion of the Youth on the  weapons  collection
     programme in terms of the Fomboni All Party Framework Agreement.


     The deployment will consist of one French speaking officer  in  the
     rank group major to colonel. The  estimated  period  of  deployment
     will be from 12 November 2001 until 25 November 2001.


     The breakdown of the costs for the deployment of one officer for  a
     period of two weeks is as follows:


     (a)     Allowance @ FF467 x 14 days  =  FF6538  (1FF  =  R1,24)R  8
             107,12


     (b)     Accommodation @ US$ per day x 14 = $1680
        (US$ 1,00 = R9,70)R16 296,00


     (c)     Standby Allowance @ R22,15 x 14 days R310,00


     (d)     Air TicketR 8 000,00


     (e)     Total CostR32 713,12


     I will also communicate this report to the  National  Assembly  and
     wish to request that you bring it to the notice of the  Members  of
     the National Council of Provinces.


     Yours sincerely,






     T M MBEKI

                      TUESDAY, 20 NOVEMBER 2001

ANNOUNCEMENTS:

National Council of Provinces:

  1. The Chairperson:
 The following papers have been tabled  and  are  now  referred  to  the
 relevant committees as mentioned below:


 (1)    The following paper is  referred  to  the  Select  Committee  on
     Finance:


     Report of the Registrar of Unit Trust Companies for 1999.


 (2)    The following papers are referred to  the  Select  Committee  on
     Land and Environmental Affairs:


     (a)     Report and Financial Statements of the Department of  Water
          Affairs and Forestry for 2000-2001, including  the  Report  of
          the Auditor-General on the Financial Statements of Vote  34  -
          Water Affairs and Forestry for 2000-2001 [RP 88-2001].


     (b)     Report and  Financial  Statements  of  the  Water  Research
          Commission for 2000-2001, including the Report of the Auditor-
          General on the Financial Statements for 2000-2001.


 (3)    The following papers are referred to  the  Select  Committee  on
     Economic Affairs:


     (a)     Report and Financial Statements of the Department of  Trade
          and Industry  for  2000-2001,  including  the  Report  of  the
          Auditor-General on the Financial Statements of Vote 32 - Trade
          and Industry for 2000-2001.


     (b)      Report  and  Financial  Statements  of   the   Competition
          Commission for 2000-2001, including the Report of the Auditor-
          General on the Financial Statements  for  2000-2001  [RP  150-
          2001].


     (c)      Report  and  Financial  Statements  of   the   Competition
          Tribunal for 2000-2001, including the Report of  the  Auditor-
          General on the Financial Statements  for  2000-2001  [RP  179-
          2001].


     (d)      Report  and  Financial  Statements  of  Ntsika  Enterprise
          Promotion Agency for 2000-2001, including the  Report  of  the
          Auditor-General on the Financial Statements for 2000-2001  [RP
          198-2001].


     (e)     Report and Financial Statements of the  National  Lotteries
          Board for 2000-2001, including  the  Report  of  the  Auditor-
          General on the Financial Statements for 2000-2001.


 (4)    The following papers are referred to  the  Select  Committee  on
     Social Services:


     (a)     Government Notice No  R.691  published  in  the  Government
          Gazette No 22495 dated 27 July 2001, Regulations  relating  to
          additives for use in food in general in accordance  with  good
          manufacturing practice, made in terms of section 15(1) of  the
          Foodstuffs, Cosmetics and Disinfectants Act, 1972 (Act  No  54
          of 1972).


     (b)     Government Notice No  R.723  published  in  the  Government
          Gazette No 22549 dated 10 August 2001,  Regulations  regarding
          processed foodstuffs, made in terms of section  15(1)  of  the
          Foodstuffs, Cosmetics and Disinfectants Act, 1972 (Act  No  54
          of 1972).


     (c)     Government Notice No  R.747  published  in  the  Government
          Gazette  No  22563  dated  17  August   2001,   Amendment   of
          regulations governing microbiological standards for foodstuffs
          and related matters, made in terms of  section  15(1)  of  the
          Foodstuffs, Cosmetics and Disinfectants Act, 1972 (Act  No  54
          of 1972).


     (d)     Government Notice No  R.911  published  in  the  Government
          Gazette  No  22694  dated  28  September   2001,   Regulations
          governing certain solvents in foodstuffs,  made  in  terms  of
          section 15(1) of the Foodstuffs, Cosmetics  and  Disinfectants
          Act, 1972 (Act No 54 of 1972).


     (e)     Government Notice No  R.765  published  in  the  Government
          Gazette No 22584 dated 24 August 2001, Regulations relating to
          the conduct of enquiries into alleged unprofessional  conduct,
          made in terms of section 61(1)(h) read with section  61(4)  of
          the Health Professions Act, 1974 (Act No 56 of 1974).


     (f)     Government Notice No  R.887  published  in  the  Government
          Gazette No 22673 dated 21 September 2001, Regulations relating
          to the suspension of practitioners, made in terms  of  section
          61(1) read with section 15B(1)(a) of  the  Health  Professions
          Act, 1974 (Act No 56 of 1974).


 (5)    The following paper is  referred  to  the  Select  Committee  on
     Security and Constitutional Affairs:


     Government Notice No R.1044 published in the Government Gazette  No
     22750 dated 19 October 2001, Repeal of  the  South  African  Police
     Service Grievance Procedure Regulations, 1995,  made  in  terms  of
     section 24(1)(f) of the South  African  Police  Service  Act,  1995
     (Act No 68 of 1995).

                      FRIDAY, 23 NOVEMBER 2001

ANNOUNCEMENTS:

National Assembly and National Council of Provinces:

  1. The Speaker and the Chairperson:
 (1)    The Minister of Labour  submitted  the  Wysigingswetsontwerp  op
     Basiese Diensvoorwaardes [W 70 - 2001]  (National  Assembly  -  sec
     75) to the Speaker and the Chairperson on 21  November  2001.  This
     is the official translation of the Basic Conditions  of  Employment
     Amendment Bill [B 70 - 2001] (National Assembly -  sec  75),  which
     was introduced in the National  Assembly  by  the  Minister  on  18
     September 2001.


 (2)    The Minister of Labour  submitted  the  Wysigingswetsontwerp  op
     Arbeidsverhoudinge [W 77 - 2001] (National Assembly -  sec  75)  to
     the Speaker and the Chairperson on 21 November 2001.  This  is  the
     official translation of the Labour Relations Amendment Bill  [B  77
     - 2001] (National Assembly - sec 75), which was introduced  in  the
     National Assembly by the Minister on 27 September 2001.

TABLINGS: National Assembly and National Council of Provinces: Papers:

  1. The Minister of Finance:
 (1)    Government Notice No R.1054 published in the Government  Gazette
     No 22768 dated  26  October  2001,  Determination  of  amounts  for
     purposes of the Military Pensions Act,  1976,   made  in  terms  of
     sections 1 and 5 of the Military Pensions Act, 1976 (Act No  84  of
     1976).


 (2)    Government Notice No R.1100 published in the Government  Gazette
     No 22804 dated 9 November 2001, Correction Notice on  Determination
     of amounts for purposes of the Military Pensions  Act,  1976,  made
     in terms of sections 1 and 5 of the  Military  Pensions  Act,  1976
     (Act No 84 of 1976).


 (3)    Government Notice No R.1095 published in the Government  Gazette
     No 22797 dated 30 October  2001,  Regulations  made  under  section
     91(1)(b) of the Public Finance Management Act, 1999 (Act  No  1  of
     1999).

                      TUESDAY, 27 NOVEMBER 2001

ANNOUNCEMENTS:

National Assembly and National Council of Provinces:

  1. The Speaker and the Chairperson:
 The Minister of Finance submitted the  Tweede  Wysigingswetsontwerp  op
 Inkomstewette [W 84 - 2001] (National Assembly - sec 77) to the Speaker
 and  the  Chairperson  on  27  November  2001.  This  is  the  official
 translation of the Revenue Laws Second Amendment Bill  [B  84  -  2001]
 (National Assembly - sec 77), which  was  introduced  in  the  National
 Assembly by the Minister on 7 November 2001.

TABLINGS:

National Assembly and National Council of Provinces:

Papers:

  1. The Speaker and the Chairperson:
 Report and Financial Statements of the Municipal Demarcation Board  for
 2000-2001, including the Report of the Auditor-General for 2000-2001.
  1. The Minister of Labour:
 (a)    Report and  Financial  Statements  of  the  Chemical  Industries
     Education and  Training  Authority  for  2000-2001,  including  the
     Report of the Auditor-General on the Financial Statements for 2000-
     2001.


 (b)    Report and Financial Statements of the Energy  Sector  Education
     and Training Authority for 2000-2001, including the Report  of  the
     Auditor-General on the Financial Statements for 2000-2001  [RP  99-
     2001].


 (c)    Report and Financial Statements  of  the  Mining  Qualifications
     Authority Sector Education and Training  Authority  for  2000-2001,
     including the  Report  of  the  Auditor-General  on  the  Financial
     Statements for 2000-2001.


 (d)     Report  and  Financial  Statements  of  the  Insurance   Sector
     Education and  Training  Authority  for  2000-2001,  including  the
     Report of the Auditor-General on the Financial Statements for 2000-
     2001.


 (e)    Report and Financial Statements of the Banking Sector  Education
     and Training Authority for 2000-2001, including the Report  of  the
     Auditor-General on the Financial Statements for 2000-2001 [RP  173-
     2001].


 (f)     Report  and  Financial   Statements   of   the   Manufacturing,
     Engineering and Related Services Education and  Training  Authority
     for 2000-2001, including the Report of the Auditor-General  on  the
     Financial Statements for 2000-2001.


 (g)    Report and  Financial  Statements  of  the  Food  and  Beverages
     Manufacturing Sector Education and  Training  Authority  for  2000-
     2001, including the Report of the Auditor-General on the  Financial
     Statements for 2000-2001 [RP 170-2001].


 (h)    Report  and  Financial  Statements  of  the  Clothing,  Textile,
     Footwear and Leather Sector Education and  Training  Authority  for
     2000-2001, including the  Report  of  the  Auditor-General  on  the
     Financial Statements for 2000-2001.


 (i)    Report and  Financial  Statements  of  the  Media,  Advertising,
     Printing, Packaging and Publishing Sector  Education  and  Training
     Authority for 2000-2001,  including  the  Report  of  the  Auditor-
     General on the Financial Statements for 2000-2001.


 (j)     Report  and  Financial  Statements  of  the  Policing,  Private
     Security, Legal Practice, Justice and Correctional Services  Sector
     Education and  Training  Authority  for  2000-2001,  including  the
     Report of the Auditor-General on the Financial Statements for 2000-
     2001 [RP 209-2001].


 (k)    Report and Financial Statements of the Education,  Training  and
     Development Practices Sector Education and Training  Authority  for
     2000-2001, including the  Report  of  the  Auditor-General  on  the
     Financial Statements for 2000-2001 [RP 155-2001].


 (l)    Report and Financial Statements of the Local  Government,  Water
     and Related Services Education and  Training  Authority  for  2000-
     2001, including the Report of the Auditor-General on the  Financial
     Statements for 2000-2001.


 (m)    Report and Financial Statements of the Services Sector Education
     and Training Authority for 2000-2001, including the Report  of  the
     Auditor-General on the Financial Statements for 2000-2001.

                      FRIDAY, 30 NOVEMBER 2001

ANNOUNCEMENTS:

National Assembly and National Council of Provinces:

  1. The Speaker and the Chairperson:
 (1)    The Speaker and the Chairperson directed  the  Secretary  on  28
     November 2001, notwithstanding the provision of Joint Rule 221,  to
     send the official text (English version) of the  Telecommunications
     Amendment Bill [B 65D - 2001] to  the  President  for  assent.  The
     official translation (Afrikaans version) was sent to the  President
     on 30 November 2001.


 (2)    The Minister in The Presidency on 26 November 2001  submitted  a
     draft of the Media Development and Diversity Agency Bill, 2001,  as
     well as the memorandum  explaining  the  objects  of  the  proposed
     legislation, to the Speaker and the Chairperson in terms  of  Joint
     Rule 159. The draft has been referred to  the  Portfolio  Committee
     on Communications and the Select Committee  on  Labour  and  Public
     Enterprises by the Speaker and the  Chairperson,  respectively,  in
     accordance with Joint Rule 159(2).

National Council of Provinces:

  1. The Chairperson:
 The following papers have been tabled  and  are  now  referred  to  the
 relevant committees as mentioned below:


 (1)    The following papers are referred to  the  Select  Committee  on
     Finance and to the Select Committee on Security and  Constitutional
     Affairs:


     (a)     Government Notice No R.1054  published  in  the  Government
          Gazette No 22768  dated  26  October  2001,  Determination  of
          amounts for purposes of the Military Pensions Act, 1976,  made
          in terms of sections 1 and 5 of  the  Military  Pensions  Act,
          1976 (Act No 84 of 1976).


     (b)     Government Notice No R.1100  published  in  the  Government
          Gazette No 22804 dated 9 November 2001, Correction  Notice  on
          Determination of amounts for purposes of the Military Pensions
          Act, 1976, made in terms of sections 1 and 5 of  the  Military
          Pensions Act, 1976 (Act No 84 of 1976).


 (2)    The following paper is  referred  to  the  Select  Committee  on
     Finance:


     Government Notice No R.1095 published in the Government Gazette  No
     22797  dated  30  October  2001,  Regulations  made  under  section
     91(1)(b) of the Public Finance Management Act, 1999 (Act  No  1  of
     1999).

TABLINGS:

National Assembly and National Council of Provinces:

Papers:

  1. The Minister of Public Enterprises:
 Report and Financial Statements of Transnet Limited for 2000-2001.

                       FRIDAY, 7 DECEMBER 2001

ANNOUNCEMENTS:

National Assembly and National Council of Provinces:

  1. The Speaker and the Chairperson:
 (1)    Assent by the President  of  the  Republic  in  respect  of  the
     following Bills:


     (a)     National Land Transport Transition Amendment Bill [B 39B  -
              2001] - Act No 31 of  2001  (assented  to  and  signed  by
              President on 22 November 2001);


     (b)     Postal Services Amendment Bill [B 63B - 2001] - Act  No  33
              of  2001  (assented  to  and  signed  by  President  on  4
              December 2001);


     (c)     Constitution of the  Republic  of  South  Africa  Amendment
              Bill [B 68B - 2001] - Act No 34 of 2001 (assented  to  and
              signed by President on 20 November 2001);


     (d)     Companies Amendment Bill [B 35B - 2001]  -  Act  No  35  of
              2001 (assented to and signed by President on  28  November
              2001);


     (e)     Cultural Laws Amendment Bill [B 45B - 2000] - Act No 36  of
              2001 (assented to and signed by President  on  4  December
              2001);


     (f)     Diplomatic Immunities and Privileges Bill [B 40B - 2001]  -
              Act No 37 of 2001 (assented to and signed by President  on
              22 November 2001);


     (g)     Financial Intelligence Centre Bill [B 1B - 2001] -  Act  No
              38 of 2001 (assented to and  signed  by  President  on  28
              November 2001);


     (h)     Pension Funds Second Amendment Bill [B 41D -  2001]  -  Act
              No 39 of 2001 (assented to and signed by President  on  29
              November 2001);


     (i)     Stock Exchanges Control Amendment Bill [B 75 - 2001] -  Act
              No 40 of 2001 (assented to and signed by President  on  29
              November 2001);


     (j)     Interim Rationalisation  of  Jurisdiction  of  High  Courts
              Bill [B 44B - 2001] - Act No 41 of 2001 (assented  to  and
              signed by President on 29 November 2001);


     (k)     Judicial Matters Amendment Bill [B 43B - 2001] - Act No  42
              of  2001  (assented  to  and  signed  by  President  on  4
              December 2001);


     (l)     Agricultural Debt Management Bill [B 54B - 2001] -  Act  No
              45 of 2001 (assented to  and  signed  by  President  on  4
              December 2001);


     (m)     Judges' Remuneration and Conditions of Employment  Bill  [B
              83B - 2001] - Act No 47 of 2001 (assented  to  and  signed
              by President on 20 November 2001);


     (n)     Industrial Development Amendment Bill [B 32D - 2001] -  Act
              No 49 of 2001 (assented to and signed by  President  on  4
              December 2001);


     (o)     Land Affairs General Amendment Bill [B 71D -  2001]  -  Act
              No 51 of 2001 (assented to and signed by President  on  29
              November 2001);


     (p)     Marketing of Agricultural Products Amendment Bill [B 26D  -
              2001] - Act No 52 of  2001  (assented  to  and  signed  by
              President on 4 December 2001);


     (q)     Provincial Tax Regulation Process Bill [B  51D  -  2001]  -
              Act No 53 of 2001 (assented to and signed by President  on
              4 December 2001);


     (r)     National Parks Amendment Bill [B 38 - 2001] - Act No 54  of
              2001 (assented to and signed by President  on  4  December
              2001);


     (s)     Education Laws Amendment Bill [B 55B - 2001] -  Act  No  57
              of 2001  (assented  to  and  signed  by  President  on  29
              November 2001);


     (t)      General  and  Further  Education  and   Training   Quality
              Assurance Bill [B  57B  -  2001]  -  Act  No  58  of  2001
              (assented to  and  signed  by  President  on  29  November
              2001);


     (u)     Adjustments Appropriation Bill [B 82 - 2001] -  Act  No  59
              of 2001  (assented  to  and  signed  by  President  on  20
              November 2001);


     (v)     Revenue Laws Second Amendment Bill [B 84 - 2001] -  Act  No
              60 of 2001 (assented to  and  signed  by  President  on  5
              December 2001);


     (w)     Telecommunications Amendment Bill [B 65D - 2001] -  Act  No
              64 of 2001 (assented to and  signed  by  President  on  29
              November 2001);


     (x)     Pension Funds Amendment Bill [B 22B - 2001] - Act No 65  of
              2001 (assented to and signed by President  on  5  December
              2001); and


     (y)     Cultural Laws Second Amendment Bill [B 46F -  2000]  -  Act
              No 69 of 2001 (assented to and signed by  President  on  4
              Desember 2001). 2.    The Speaker and the Chairperson:


 (1)      The   Minister   of   Trade   and   Industry   submitted   the
     Wysigingswetsontwerp  op  Outeursreg  [W  73  -  2001]   (Nasionale
     Vergadering - art 75) to the  Speaker  and  the  Chairperson  on  7
     December 2001. This is the official translation  of  the  Copyright
     Amendment Bill [B 73 - 2001] (National Assembly -  sec  75),  which
     was introduced in the National  Assembly  by  the  Minister  on  21
     September 2001.


 (2)      The   Minister   of   Trade   and   Industry   submitted   the
     Wysigingswetsontwerp op die  Beskerming  van  Voordraers  [W  74  -
     2001] (Nasionale Vergadering - art  75)  to  the  Speaker  and  the
     Chairperson on 7 December 2001. This is  the  official  translation
     of  the  Performers'  Protection  Amendment  Bill  [B  74  -  2001]
     (National Assembly - sec 75), which was introduced in the  National
     Assembly by the Minister on 21 September 2001.
 (3)     The   Minister   of   Safety   and   Security   submitted   the
     Wysigingswetsontwerp op die Regulering  van  die  Sekuriteitsbedryf
     [W 12 - 2001] (Nasionale Vergadering - art 75) to the  Speaker  and
     the  Chairperson  on  7  December  2001.  This  is   the   official
     translation of the Security Industry Regulation Bill [B 12 -  2001]
     (National Assembly - sec 75), which was introduced in the  National
     Assembly by the Minister on 23 February 2001.

National Council of Provinces:

  1. The Chairperson:
 The following paper tabled is now referred to the Select  Committee  on
 Labour and Public Enterprises:


 Report and Financial Statements of Transnet Limited for 2000-2001.

TABLINGS: National Assembly and National Council of Provinces:

Papers:

  1. The Minister of Education:
 (1)    Government Notice No 735 published in the Government Gazette  No
     22559 dated 8 August 2001, Call for comments on the Draft  National
     Curriculum Statement Grades for  R-9  to  enable  the  Minister  to
     declare policy in terms of section 3(4)(1) of the  National  Policy
     Act, 1996 (Act No 27 of 1996).


 (2)    Government Notice No 1043 published in the Government Gazette No
     22756 dated 17 October 2001, Education  White  Paper  Five  (5)  on
     Early Childhood Development, made in terms of  section  3(4)(1)  of
     the National Policy Act, 1996 (Act No 27 of 1996).


 (3)    Government Notice No 1104 published in the Government Gazette No
     22808 dated 2 November 2001, Publication of  the  Higher  Education
     Amendment Act (Act No 23 of 2001).


 (4)    Government Notice No 1136 published in the Government Gazette No
     22819 dated 16 November 2001, Notice  of  conditional  registration
     of a  private  higher  education  institution,  made  in  terms  of
     section 54(2)(a) of the Higher Education Act, 1997 (Act No  101  of
     1997).


 (5)    Government Notice No 1137 published in the Government Gazette No
     22819 dated 16 November 2001, Notice  of  conditional  registration
     of a  private  higher  education  institution,  made  in  terms  of
     section 54(2)(a) of the Higher Education Act, 1997 (Act No  101  of
     1997).


 (6)    Government Notice No 1138 published in the Government Gazette No
     22819 dated 16 November 2001, Notice  of  conditional  registration
     of a  private  higher  education  institution,  made  in  terms  of
     section 54(2)(a) of the Higher Education Act, 1997 (Act No  101  of
     1997).


 (7)    Government Notice No 1139 published in the Government Gazette No
     22819 dated 16 November 2001, Notice  of  conditional  registration
     of a  private  higher  education  institution,  made  in  terms  of
     section 54(2)(a) of the Higher Education Act, 1997 (Act No  101  of
     1997).


 (8)    Government Notice No 1140 published in the Government Gazette No
     22819 dated 16 November 2001, Notice  of  conditional  registration
     of a  private  higher  education  institution,  made  in  terms  of
     section 54(2)(a) of the Higher Education Act, 1997 (Act No  101  of
     1997).


 (9)    Government Notice No 1141 published in the Government Gazette No
     22819 dated 16 November 2001, Notice  of  conditional  registration
     of a  private  higher  education  institution,  made  in  terms  of
     section 54(2)(a) of the Higher Education Act, 1997 (Act No  101  of
     1997).


 (10)   Government Notice No 1142 published in the Government Gazette No
      22819 dated 16 November 2001, Notice of  conditional  registration
      of a private  higher  education  institution,  made  in  terms  of
      section 54(2)(a) of the Higher Education Act, 1997 (Act No 101  of
      1997).


 (11)   Government Notice No 1143 published in the Government Gazette No
      22819 dated 16 November 2001, Notice of  conditional  registration
      of a private  higher  education  institution,  made  in  terms  of
      section 54(2)(a) of the Higher Education Act, 1997 (Act No 101  of
      1997).


 (12)   Government Notice No 1144 published in the Government Gazette No
      22819 dated 16 November 2001, Notice of  conditional  registration
      of a private  higher  education  institution,  made  in  terms  of
      section 54(2)(a) of the Higher Education Act, 1997 (Act No 101  of
      1997).


 (13)   Government Notice No 1145 published in the Government Gazette No
      22819 dated 16 November 2001, Notice of  conditional  registration
      of a private  higher  education  institution,  made  in  terms  of
      section 54(2)(a) of the Higher Education Act, 1997 (Act No 101  of
      1997).


 (14)   Government Notice No 1146 published in the Government Gazette No
      22819 dated 16 November 2001, Notice of  conditional  registration
      of a private  higher  education  institution,  made  in  terms  of
      section 54(2)(a) of the Higher Education Act, 1997 (Act No 101  of
      1997).


 (15)   Government Notice No 1147 published in the Government Gazette No
      22819 dated 16 November 2001, Notice of  conditional  registration
      of a private  higher  education  institution,  made  in  terms  of
      section 54(2)(a) of the Higher Education Act, 1997 (Act No 101  of
      1997).


 (16)   Government Notice No 1148 published in the Government Gazette No
      22819 dated 16 November 2001, Notice of  conditional  registration
      of a private  higher  education  institution,  made  in  terms  of
      section 54(2)(a) of the Higher Education Act, 1997 (Act No 101  of
      1997).


 (17)   Government Notice No 1149 published in the Government Gazette No
      22819 dated 16 November 2001, Notice of  conditional  registration
      of a private  higher  education  institution,  made  in  terms  of
      section 54(2)(a) of the Higher Education Act, 1997 (Act No 101  of
      1997).


 (18)   Government Notice No 1150 published in the Government Gazette No
      22819 dated 16 November 2001, Notice of  conditional  registration
      of a private  higher  education  institution,  made  in  terms  of
      section 54(2)(a) of the Higher Education Act, 1997 (Act No 101  of
      1997).


 (19)   Government Notice No 1151 published in the Government Gazette No
      22819 dated 16 November 2001, Notice of  conditional  registration
      of a private  higher  education  institution,  made  in  terms  of
      section 54(2)(a) of the Higher Education Act, 1997 (Act No 101  of
      1997).


 (20)   Government Notice No 1152 published in the Government Gazette No
      22819 dated 16 November 2001, Notice of  conditional  registration
      of a private  higher  education  institution,  made  in  terms  of
      section 54(2)(a) of the Higher Education Act, 1997 (Act No 101  of
      1997).


 (21)   Government Notice No 1153 published in the Government Gazette No
      22819 dated 16 November 2001, Notice of  conditional  registration
      of a private  higher  education  institution,  made  in  terms  of
      section 54(2)(a) of the Higher Education Act, 1997 (Act No 101  of
      1997).


 (22)   Government Notice No 1154 published in the Government Gazette No
      22819 dated 16 November 2001, Notice of  conditional  registration
      of a private  higher  education  institution,  made  in  terms  of
      section 54(2)(a) of the Higher Education Act, 1997 (Act No 101  of
      1997).


 (23)   Government Notice No 1155 published in the Government Gazette No
      22819 dated 16 November 2001, Notice of  conditional  registration
      of a private  higher  education  institution,  made  in  terms  of
      section 54(2)(a) of the Higher Education Act, 1997 (Act No 101  of
      1997).


 (24)   Government Notice No 1156 published in the Government Gazette No
      22819 dated 16 November 2001, Notice of  conditional  registration
      of a private  higher  education  institution,  made  in  terms  of
      section 54(2)(a) of the Higher Education Act, 1997 (Act No 101  of
      1997).


 (25)   Government Notice No 1157 published in the Government Gazette No
      22819 dated 16 November 2001, Notice of  conditional  registration
      of a private  higher  education  institution,  made  in  terms  of
      section 54(2)(a) of the Higher Education Act, 1997 (Act No 101  of
      1997).


 (26)   Government Notice No 1158 published in the Government Gazette No
      22819 dated 16 November 2001, Notice of  conditional  registration
      of a private  higher  education  institution,  made  in  terms  of
      section 54(2)(a) of the Higher Education Act, 1997 (Act No 101  of
      1997).


 (27)   Government Notice No 1159 published in the Government Gazette No
      22819 dated 16 November 2001, Notice of  conditional  registration
      of a private  higher  education  institution,  made  in  terms  of
      section 54(2)(a) of the Higher Education Act, 1997 (Act No 101  of
      1997).


 (28)   Government Notice No 1160 published in the Government Gazette No
      22819 dated 16 November 2001, Notice of  conditional  registration
      of a private  higher  education  institution,  made  in  terms  of
      section 54(2)(a) of the Higher Education Act, 1997 (Act No 101  of
      1997).


 (29)   Government Notice No 1161 published in the Government Gazette No
      22819 dated 16 November 2001, Notice of  conditional  registration
      of a private  higher  education  institution,  made  in  terms  of
      section 54(2)(a) of the Higher Education Act, 1997 (Act No 101  of
      1997).


 (30)   Government Notice No 1162 published in the Government Gazette No
      22819 dated 16 November 2001, Notice of  conditional  registration
      of a private  higher  education  institution,  made  in  terms  of
      section 54(2)(a) of the Higher Education Act, 1997 (Act No 101  of
      1997).


 (31)   Government Notice No 1163 published in the Government Gazette No
      22819 dated 16 November 2001, Notice of  conditional  registration
      of a private  higher  education  institution,  made  in  terms  of
      section 54(2)(a) of the Higher Education Act, 1997 (Act No 101  of
      1997).


 (32)   Government Notice No 1164 published in the Government Gazette No
      22819 dated 16 November 2001, Notice of  conditional  registration
      of a private  higher  education  institution,  made  in  terms  of
      section 54(2)(a) of the Higher Education Act, 1997 (Act No 101  of
      1997).


 (33)   Government Notice No 1165 published in the Government Gazette No
      22819 dated 16 November 2001, Notice of  conditional  registration
      of a private  higher  education  institution,  made  in  terms  of
      section 54(2)(a) of the Higher Education Act, 1997 (Act No 101  of
      1997).


 (34)   Government Notice No 1166 published in the Government Gazette No
      22819 dated 16 November 2001, Notice of  conditional  registration
      of a private  higher  education  institution,  made  in  terms  of
      section 54(2)(a) of the Higher Education Act, 1997 (Act No 101  of
      1997).


 (35)   Government Notice No 1167 published in the Government Gazette No
      22819 dated 16 November 2001, Notice of  conditional  registration
      of a private  higher  education  institution,  made  in  terms  of
      section 54(2)(a) of the Higher Education Act, 1997 (Act No 101  of
      1997).


 (36)   Government Notice No 1168 published in the Government Gazette No
      22819 dated 16 November 2001, Notice of  conditional  registration
      of a private  higher  education  institution,  made  in  terms  of
      section 54(2)(a) of the Higher Education Act, 1997 (Act No 101  of
      1997).


 (37)   Government Notice No 1169 published in the Government Gazette No
      22819 dated 16 November 2001, Notice of  conditional  registration
      of a private  higher  education  institution,  made  in  terms  of
      section 54(2)(a) of the Higher Education Act, 1997 (Act No 101  of
      1997).


 (38)   Government Notice No 1170 published in the Government Gazette No
      22819 dated 16 November 2001, Notice of  conditional  registration
      of a private  higher  education  institution,  made  in  terms  of
      section 54(2)(a) of the Higher Education Act, 1997 (Act No 101  of
      1997).


 (39)   Government Notice No 1171 published in the Government Gazette No
      22819 dated 16 November 2001, Notice of  conditional  registration
      of a private  higher  education  institution,  made  in  terms  of
      section 54(2)(a) of the Higher Education Act, 1997 (Act No 101  of
      1997).


(40)    Government Notice No 1172 published in the  Government  Gazette
      No  22819  dated  16  November   2001,   Notice   of   conditional
      registration of a private higher education  institution,  made  in
      terms of section 54(2)(a) of the Higher Education Act,  1997  (Act
      No 101 of 1997).


 (41)   Government Notice No 1186 published in the Government Gazette No
      22819 dated 16 November 2001, National  Policy  regarding  Further
      Education  and  Training  Programmes:  Approval  of  the   updated
      schools' and technical colleges' policy documents, namely  reports
      550 (2001/08 and 191 (2001/08), made in terms of  section  3(4)(1)
      of the National Education Policy Act, 1996 (Act No 27 of 1996).
  1. The Minister of Transport: (1) Bilateral Air Service Agreement between the Government of the Republic of South Africa and the Government of the Kingdom of Sweden, tabled in terms of section 231(3) of the Constitution, 1996.
 (2)    Bilateral Air Service Agreement between the  Government  of  the
     Republic of South Africa and  the  Government  of  the  Kingdom  of
     Denmark, tabled in terms of section  231(3)  of  the  Constitution,
     1996.


 (3)    Bilateral Air Service Agreement between the  Government  of  the
     Republic of South Africa and  the  Government  of  the  Kingdom  of
     Norway, tabled in terms of  section  231(3)  of  the  Constitution,
     1996.


 (4)    Agreement between the Government of the Republic of South Africa
     and the Government of the United Arab  Emirates  for  Air  Services
     between and beyond their respective territories,  tabled  in  terms
     of section 231(3) of the Constitution, 1996.
 (5)    Agreement between the Government of the Republic of South Africa
     and the Government of the People's Republic of  China  relating  to
     Civil Air Transport, tabled in  terms  of  section  231(3)  of  the
     Constitution, 1996.


 (6)    Air Transport Agreement between the Government of  the  Republic
     of South Africa and the  Government  of  the  Islamic  Republic  of
     Iran, tabled in terms of section 231(3) of the Constitution, 1996.


 (7)    Bilateral Air Service Agreement between the  Government  of  the
     Republic of South Africa and the  Government  of  the  Republic  of
     Cuba, tabled in terms of section 231(3) of the Constitution, 1996.


 (8)    Agreement between the Government of the Republic of South Africa
     and the Government of the Hong Kong Special  Administrative  Region
     of the People's Republic of China concerning Air  Services,  tabled
     in terms of section 231(3) of the Constitution, 1996.
 (9)    Bilateral Air Service Agreement between the  Government  of  the
     Republic of South Africa and the  Government  of  the  Republic  of
     Yemen, tabled in terms  of  section  231(3)  of  the  Constitution,
     1996.

                      MONDAY, 10 DECEMBER 2001

ANNOUNCEMENTS:

National Assembly and National Council of Provinces:

  1. The Speaker and the Chairperson:
 (1)    Assent by the President  of  the  Republic  in  respect  of  the
     following Bills:


     (a)     Correctional Services Amendment Bill [B 8B -  2001]  -  Act
              No 32 of 2001 (assented to and signed by  President  on  7
              December 2001);


     (b)     Lotteries Amendment Bill [B 81B - 2001]  -  Act  No  46  of
              2001 (assented to and signed by President  on  6  December
              2001);


     (c)     Merchandise Marks Amendment Bill [B 33D - 2001]  -  Act  No
              50 of 2001 (assented to  and  signed  by  President  on  7
              December 2001);


     (d)      Constitution  of  the  Republic  of  South  Africa  Second
              Amendment Bill [B  78B  -  2001]  -  Act  No  61  of  2001
              (assented to and signed by President on 7 December 2001);


     (e)     Criminal Procedure Second Amendment Bill [B 45B -  2001]  -
              Act No 62 of 2001 (assented to and signed by President  on
              7 December 2001); and


     (f)     "Woordeboek van die Afrikaanse Taal"  Act  Repeal  Bill  [B
              30B - 2001] - Act No 66 of 2001 (assented  to  and  signed
              by President on 7 December 2001).

TABLINGS:

National Assembly and National Council of Provinces:

Papers:

  1. The Minister for the Public Service and Administration:
 Written Explanation, dated 6 December 2001, from the Minister  for  the
 Public Service and Administration in terms of section 65(2)(a)  of  the
 Public Finance Management Act, 1999 (Act No 1  of  1999),  setting  out
 reasons why  the  Annual  Report  and  Financial  Statements  of  State
 Information Technology Agency for 2000-2001  could  not  be  tabled  in
 time:
 Dear Dr Frene Ginwala


 DELAYED SUBMISSION OF STATE INFORMATION TECHNOLOGY AGENCY (SITA) ANNUAL
 REPORT 2000/2001 FINANCIAL YEAR


 With reference to the above, the State  Information  Technology  Agency
 (SITA) has not been able to timeously submit its Annual Report for  the
 2000/2001 Financial Year because of the following reasons:


 - Delays in the finalisation of the content of the  report,  especially
     by external auditors. The Report was kept for at  least  two  weeks
     by each of the external auditors (PWC and MSGM), working on  behalf
     of the Auditor-General's Office.
 -  The  Auditor-General  took  three  weeks  with  the  report   before
     authorising SITA to go ahead with its final printing.
 - These delays outlined above, resulted in SITA not being able to  meet
     printer's deadlines.
 However, the Annual Report has been  printed  and  will  be  tabled  to
 Parliament on 7 December 2001.


 Kind Regards




 Ms Geraldine Fraser-Moleketi
 Minister for the Public Service and Administration
  1. The Minister for Agriculture and Land Affairs:
 Report and Financial Statements of the Land Bank  for  2000,  including
 the Report of the Auditor-General on the Financial Statements for 2000.

COMMITTEE REPORTS:

National Assembly and National Council of Provinces:

  1. Report of the Joint Standing Committee on Defence on the Joint Investigation Report into the Strategic Defence Procurement Packages, dated 5 December 2001:

    The Joint Standing Committee on Defence, having considered the matters in the Report falling within the parameters of its portfolio, in particular Chapters 3-7 and 10-12, and having to report on the relevant findings and recommendations by 6 December 2001 (ATC No 153, p 1441), reports as follows:

    A. Introduction

        On 15 November 2001, the Joint Investigative  Team  (hereafter
        the Agencies),  which  investigated  certain  aspects  of  the
        Strategic  Defence   Packages,   presented   its   report   to
        Parliament. Although aspects of the  investigation  are  still
        under way, the Agencies managed to complete most of the  tasks
        within its mandate. We note the findings  of  the  Report  and
        congratulate the Agencies for  their  work  in  compiling  the
        Report.
    
    
        This  Report  of  the  Committee  strives  to  make   concrete
        suggestions regarding the following:
    
    
        1.  Identifying the key strategic issues raised in the Report,
            which require consideration by both the executive and  the
            parliamentary committees on defence.
    
    
        2.  Making various  process  recommendations  as  to  how  the
            findings of the Report can be taken forward.
    

    B. Role of Parliament

        According to the Defence Review (chapter on Acquisition),  the
        Committee has a key role  in  monitoring  and  overseeing  the
        Ministry of Defence, Armscor and  the  Department  of  Defence
        (DoD)  on  any  acquisition  process.  This  role  should   be
        strengthened through the institution of  appropriate  Standard
        Operating  Procedures  between  the   relevant   parliamentary
        committees  on  defence  and  the   Ministry   regarding   the
        management of any acquisition process.
    
    
        The rationale for involving the  parliamentary  committees  on
        defence in these decisions is as follows:
    
    
        1.  All major procurement programmes are capital-intensive  by
            nature  and,  as  such,  require   substantial   financial
            outlays from the fiscus. Parliament approves  the  defence
            budget and therefore has an interest in ensuring that  any
            financial outlays are managed according to the budget.
        2.  The mandate of the parliamentary committees on defence  is
            to provide oversight over the  key  policy  processes  and
            developments within both Armscor and the DoD, and as  such
            any  acquisition  project  represents   a   major   policy
            position for both Armscor and the DoD.
    
    
        3.   All  major  procurement  programmes   are   fundamentally
            strategic  by  nature,  and  as  such  the   parliamentary
            committees on defence have  a  responsibility  to  oversee
            both Armscor and the DoD on the strategic implications  of
            such packages.
    
    
        4.  Sub-optimal equipment will not  only  affect  the  SANDF's
            combat-readiness, but also  the  lives  of  those  persons
            operating such equipment. Parliament and  its  committees,
            as  the  political  custodians  of  the  national  defence
            function, have a moral and a political  responsibility  to
            ensure that all acquisition  purchases  conform  to  basic
            operational and security standards.
    
    
            The parliamentary committees on  defence  should  play  an
            important role in advising the Ministry, Armscor  and  the
            DoD on the strategic aspects  of  such  packages  and  the
            political  sensitivity  of  any  proposed  purchases.   To
            perform these tasks adequately, it is  critical  that  the
            parliamentary committees  on  defence  in  particular  and
            other related parliamentary committees in  general  should
            develop the necessary capacity and planning schedules  and
            receive  the  necessary  resources  to  acquit  themselves
            capably.
    

    C. Security clearance

        The status of security clearances within both Armscor and  the
        DoD needs to be investigated as a matter of  urgency.  Updates
        of existing security clearances and  vetting  of  non-security
        cleared personnel need to be effected as a matter of priority.
    
    
        In cases where there  was  a  breach  of  security  directives
        and/or  legislation  in  the  defence   procurement   process,
        necessary steps needs to be taken.
    

    D. Record-keeping

        Control over internal Armscor and DoD documentation and record-
        keeping  needs  to  be  improved  in  accordance  with   those
        procedures governing the control of classified information  as
        set out by the counter-intelligence function of  the  DoD.  An
        audit trail of all processes linked to  procurement  processes
        needs to be maintained and managed at all times.
    

    E. Acquisition policy

        Current Armscor and DoD procurement policy compares favourably
        with previous procurement policies that pertained within  both
        Armscor and the DoD in the past. Aspects  of  the  procurement
        policy do need to be fine-tuned,  and  personnel  within  both
        Armscor and the DoD  need  to  be  made  conversant  with  the
        content and the importance of this policy. This  will  require
        the institution of appropriate training and workshops, as well
        as Standard Operating Procedures within Armscor and  the  DoD,
        to ensure that this is accomplished.
    
    
        Each phase of the  procurement  process  should  be  concluded
        according to policy prescripts before proceeding to  the  next
        phase. Furthermore, proper authorisation should be obtained at
        each  phase  before  continuing.  Such  authorisations  should
        determine whether the next phase is embarked upon.
    
    
        Considerations such as the strategic  objectives  of  the  DoD
        that impact on the procurement process, should be weighted and
        form part of  the  value  system.  It  must  then  be  applied
        consistently throughout the process.
    
    
        Future defence procurement  packages  need  to  be  critically
        assessed against the needs of the current strategic and global
        environment.
    
    
        The Defence Review states that procurement should, as  far  as
        possible, attempt  to  make  use  of  local  defence  industry
        capabilities.  The   Report   notes   that   foreign   defence
        capabilities were privileged over domestic  capabilities.  The
        parliamentary committees believe that this situation needs  to
        be  avoided  if  local  defence  capabilities,  an  undisputed
        national strategic asset, are to be maintained.
    

    F. Armscor Act

        A Work Group that had to deal with the drafting of the Armscor
        Act, was established by the Ministry  of  Defence  in  January
        2000. We are concerned that there was not sufficient  feedback
        to Parliament. This should be  attended  to  as  a  matter  of
        urgency, given certain observations by the Agencies.
    
    
        The role of Armscor and the DoD with regard to  subcontracting
        needs to be clarified. We understand in the Report that it  is
        not the policy of  Armscor  and  the  DoD  to  interfere  with
        subcontractors, yet numerous  instances  of  interference  are
        mentioned. Whilst Armscor has  the  right  to  interfere  with
        subcontracting,  it  must  do  so  within  the  framework   of
        government policies vis-á-vis affirmative  procurement,  black
        empowerment and technical and strategic needs.
    
    
        Armscor as the procurement agency of the DoD, as  mandated  by
        law, should resume this responsibility when the  DoD  procures
        defence equipment.
    

    G. Cheetah fighters

        The Report observes that the SAAF indicated  the  lifespan  of
        the Cheetah fighters to be up to around 2012. What will be the
        position of the Cheetah in the light of the acquisition of the
        Gripens?
    

    H. Implications for SAAF’s operational budget The Chief of the SAAF allowed the amount of R176 million to be deducted from the budget of the SAAF, notwithstanding his awareness of the 30% shortfall with regard to the readiness of the Air Force. We will need to be briefed on this aspect, in particular with regard to the impact on the total budget of the SANDF.

    I. Structures

        We note with concern a plethora of structures  and  committees
        involved in the acquisition process. We refer, inter alia,  to
        PCB, SOFCOM,  JPT,  IONT,  AAB,  AACB,  Technical  Team,  etc.
        Furthermore, we observe the following  with  regard  to  these
        structures:
    
    
        1.  Individuals occupying a number of positions, thus blurring
           the lines of accountability and authority.
    
    
        2.  A lack of race and/or gender balance.
    
    
        3.  People are given incompatible functions to perform.
    

    J. Conflict of interest

        The issue relating to Conflict of Interest needs to  be  dealt
        with resolutely and decisively within the  public  service  in
        general and by both the DoD and Armscor  in  particular.  This
        will  require  institution  and/or  amendment  of  appropriate
        legislation to govern and control the  activities  of  serving
        public servants. Persons named in the Report  as  having  been
        involved  in  a  Conflict  of  Interest  and/or   engaged   in
        activities deemed unprofessional from the perspective  of  the
        procurement process, should be debarred from  service  in  any
        civil service or parastatal.
        The Chief of Acquisition occupied a position of Chief Director
        within the DoD. Given the fundamentally  political  nature  of
        procurement, it is felt that a person at that level should not
        have been given such incompatible function  to  perform.  This
        also  applies  to  other  officials  from,  for  example,  the
        Department of Trade and Industry (DTI). It  is  felt  that  in
        future  a  person  with  more  political   and   institutional
        seniority should manage such processes.
    
    
        Real and apparent conflict  of  interest  did  emerge  between
        various senior officials of  the  DoD,  Armscor  and  the  DTI
        (particularly  those  directly  involved  in  the  acquisition
        packages) and members of the bidding  teams  for  the  various
        equipment within the Strategic Defence Packages (SDP).
    
    
        The determination of responsibilities within  the  acquisition
        process needs to be rationalised and streamlined. It  came  to
        the attention of the parliamentary committees on defence  that
        senior DoD and Armscor officials frequently "wore a number  of
        hats", thereby limiting their ability to act  impartially  and
        to avoid a real or perceived  conflict  of  interest.  In  our
        opinion, this  impeded  good  governance.  This  is  not  only
        limited to the DoD and  Armscor,  but  includes  officials  of
        other state departments.
    
    
        An investigation needs to be conducted by the DoD and  Armscor
        of those individuals whose professional behaviour was  queried
        in the Report.
    

    K. Conclusion

        Implementation framework
    
    
        To ensure that the mentioned and  future  recommendations  are
        applied  in  a  consistent  and  rational  manner,  the  Joint
        Standing Committee on Defence will compile  an  implementation
        framework  that  will  specify,  amongst  other  things,   the
        following:
    
    
        1.  The co-ordinating responsibility for the implementation of
            the diverse recommendations contained in this Report.
    
    
        2.   The  Executing  Authority/Authorities   responsible   for
            implementing  those  recommendations,  which   have   been
            assigned to them within the context of this Report.
    
    
        3.  The ongoing oversight/monitoring of these responsibilities
            and their execution and the  authorities  responsible  for
            this monitoring role.
    
 Report to be considered. 2.    Report of the Joint Committee on Ethics and Members' Interests on  the
 Joint Investigation  Report  into  the  Strategic  Defence  Procurement
 Packages, dated 6 December 2001:


     On 14 November 2001 the Speaker of the National  Assembly  referred
     the  Joint  Investigation  Report  into   the   Strategic   Defence
     Procurement Packages, in  so  far  as  it  relates  to  Members  of
     Parliament,  to  the  Joint  Committee  on  Ethics   and   Members'
     Interests for consideration.


     The Committee met on the 16  November  2001  and  agreed  that  the
     Report only makes two references to Members, namely:


     (1)     The allegation that Mr Mashimbye and Mr M Scott received  a
          motor vehicle from prime contractors/bidders was found  to  be
          without substance.


     (2)     Secondly, Chapter 1.3.1.2(4) in the  table  states  that  a
          criminal case is pending against  Mr  Yengeni.  The  Committee
          received opinion from the Chief Parliamentary Law Adviser that
          in terms of the sub judice rule it would be  prudent  for  the
          Committee to wait for the  conclusion  of  the  criminal  case
          before the Committee considers  the  allegation  of  the  non-
          disclosure of the benefit by Mr Yengeni.  The  Committee  will
          therefore pursue  the  matter  after  the  conclusion  of  the
          criminal case against Mr Yengeni.


     (3)     The Report makes reference to the lack  of  rules  to  deal
          with conflict of interests. In so far as Members of Parliament
          are concerned the Committee is considering a Code of  Conduct,
          of which the draft proposals specifically deal  with  conflict
          of interests and  post  tenure  employment  restrictions.  The
          Committee aims to complete the draft code in the first quarter
          of next year.
     (4)     The Committee had received a complaint against Mr Msomi  in
          respect of the alleged receipt of discounts on motor  vehicles
          from a bidder/contractor, the Investigating  Report  makes  no
          reference  to  the  allegations  against  Mr  Msomi,  and  the
          Committee  therefore  agreed  that  it   will   consider   the
          allegations against him through the normal procedures  of  the
          Committee.


     Report to be considered.

                      TUESDAY, 11 DECEMBER 2001

COMMITTEE REPORTS:

National Assembly and Council of Provinces:

  1. Report of the Joint Monitoring Committee on Improvement of Quality of Life and Status of Children, Youth and Disabled Persons on Visit to Eastern Cape, dated 3 October 2001:
 The Joint Monitoring Committee on Improvement of Quality  of  Life  and
 Status of Children, Youth and Disabled Persons visited the Eastern Cape
 from 2 to 4 May 2001 as guest  of  the  Standing  Committee  on  Youth,
 Gender and Disabled of the Eastern Cape Provincial Legislature.


 The Committee reports as follows:


 A.     Introduction


     1. Background


          Pursuing its parliamentary oversight function,  in  accordance
          with Joint Rule 132D of the Joint  Rules  of  Parliament,  the
          Committee visited the Eastern Cape Provincial Legislature (the
          Legislature).


          The Eastern Cape was identified as the first  province  to  be
          visited, based on the following motivation:
          (a) It is one of the provinces that has established a  similar
              committee.


          (b)  It  is  also  one  of  the  rural  and   poverty-stricken
              provinces.


     2. Objectives


          (a) To monitor the status  of  children,  youth  and  disabled
              people in the province.


          (b) To establish a  working  relationship  with  the  Standing
              Committee on Youth, Gender  and  Disabled  People  of  the
              Legislature (the Standing Committee).


          (c) To meet with members  of  the  Office  on  the  Status  of
              Disabled People (OSDP), the  Provincial  Youth  Commission
              (PYC) and the  Provincial  Plan  of  Action  for  Children
              (PPA).


          (d) To monitor programme and policy implementation.


          (e) To evaluate  provincial  progress  with  implementing  the
              Convention on the Rights of  the  Child  (UNCRC)  and  the
              establishment and location of the PPA.


          (f) To monitor the PYC's progress since inception.


          (g) To monitor  progress  of  the  Office  on  the  Status  of
              Disabled People  with  implementation  of  the  Integrated
              National Disability Strategy (INDS).


          (h) To look at the different responsibilites and co-ordination
              of  work  between  the  Office  of  the  Premier  and  the
              programmers based in that Office.


          (i) To look at the co-ordination of work between  the  Premier
              and the Standing Committee.


          Ms Bogopane, our  chairperson,  initiated  the  visit  to  the
          province on behalf of the Committee. The  Committee  therefore
          mandated some of its  members  to  undertake  this  provincial
          study tour.


     3. Composition of delegation


          National Assembly: Ms H I Bogopane (ANC); Ms S Maine (ANC); Ms
          N Cindi (ANC); Mrs L R Mbuyazi (IFP); Ms M Rajbally (MF).


          National Council of Provinces: Mr B Willem (ANC);  Mr  P  D  M
          Maloyi (ANC); Mr N Raju (DP); Ms C Nkuna (ANC); Mrs J  Witbooi
          (New NP).


     4. Procedure


          The Committee undertook a three-day  visit  to  the  province,
          held meetings  and  went  on  sightseeing  visits  to  various
          places.


 B.     Findings


     1. Welcoming by Standing Committee


          Mr Chris Motsilili, chairperson  of  the  Standing  Committee,
          welcomed the Committee, expressed his sincere appreciation  to
          the Committee for electing to  visit  the  Eastern  Cape,  and
          expressed  the  hope  that  the  Committee  and  the  Standing
          Committee would learn from one another.


          He outlined the programme for the three days.


     2. Official opening by Deputy Speaker


          The Deputy Speaker of the Legislature welcomed  the  Committee
          on behalf of the Speaker, Mr M  Matomela.  She  gave  a  brief
          background on the establishment of the Standing Committee,  as
          well as its roles and functions.  She  wished  the  Committees
          success on their deliberations.


     3. Joint meeting


          The joint  meeting  was  co-chaired  by  Ms  Bogopane  and  Mr
          Motsilili.


          Ms Bogopane outlined the aims and objectives of the visit. She
          also outlined the rules establishing our  Committee,  and  its
          role, functions and powers in terms of  Joint  Rules  132A  to
          132D.


          Mr Motsilili took the Committee through the terms of reference
          of the Standing Committee (as stated by the  Deputy  Speaker),
          and said that the Standing Committee was established  in  July
          1999,  before  the  establishment  of  the  Joint   Monitoring
          Committee.


          The  following  differences  between   the   committees   were
          identified,  which  would  require  attention  in   order   to
          facilitate smooth working relations:


          Joint Monitoring Committee      Standing Committee


          Deals with Youth, Children and  Disabled  Persons  Deals  with
          Youth, Children and Disabled Persons


          It is a Joint Monitoring Committee,It is a Standing  Committee
          – they function
          different from  a  portfolio  committee  like  other  standing
          committees, despite not being linked to a department


          Does not consider legislation unlessConsiders legislation
          referred to it by Speaker


          Can liase with all portfolio committees The Standing Committee
          status is a barrier – unable  and  government  departments  to
          liase  with   other   standing   committees   and   government
          departments


          Liases directly with Heads of  Liases  with  junior  officials
          Departments and Ministers


          Deals with political and social Deals more with administration
          aspects   of   sectors,   including   policy   and   programme
          implementation


          Responsible for ratification of Responsible for implementation
          of international
          international agreements  agreements provincially


          Monitors country's obligations Monitors provincial obligations
          and submits reports and submit reports


          Considers reports  at  national  level  Considers  reports  at
          provincial level - deals  with  -  deals  with  children,  not
          gender gender, not children


     4. Presentation by OSDP


          The OSDP was established on 1 April 1999, and up to  now  only
          one official has been employed.


          (a) Questions asked


              *     How  does  the  OSDP  interact  with  the   Standing
                Committee?


              *     What  has  been  done  to  make   public   buildings
                accessible to disabled people?


              *    How many buildings are still inaccessible?


              *    Which criteria were used  to  make  public  buildings
                accessible, and how were they identified?


              *    How many special schools are in the province?


              *    What role has the OSDP played in  solving  disability
                grant problems?


              *    What kind of leadership  has  the  OSDP  provided  in
                policy development for disabled people?


              *    Has the OSDP benefitted  from  being  placed  in  the
                Premier's Office?


              *    Why has there been only one employee in the Office?


              *    What are the barriers  that  make  it  difficult  for
                that employee to play a co-ordinating role?


              *    Has the Premier been informed about the lack  of  co-
                operation from departments?


          (b) Problems identified (which hinders delivery)


              *    A lack of capacity in the Office to  co-ordinate  and
                monitor policies


              *    A lack of provincial strategy to implement the INDS
              *    Delays at the departments of education and of  health
                to establish disability unit


              *    Non-availability of sufficient funds.


          (c) Weaknesses identified


              *    No effective interaction with the Premier


              *    No co-ordination of rural development


              *    No  disability  audits  have  been  conducted  within
                government departments


              *    Disability projects have not  been  monitored,  as  a
                result of financial constraints


              *    No clear  understanding  as  to  why  the  Office  is
                situated in the Premier's Office.


     5. Presentation by PPA


          The delegation was briefed by Ms K Scott, co-ordinator of  the
          PPA, located in the provincial department of welfare.


          (a) Questions asked


              *    How was the PPA established, who constitutes  it  and
                when was it established?


              *     What   programme   have   they   implemented   since
                inception?


              *    Where is the PPA located at present?


              *    What  role  has  the  PPA  played  in  child  support
                grants?


              *    What has been the nature  of  the  division  of  work
                between the PPA, the Office  of  the  Premier  and  the
                Standing Committee?


              *    Has the PPA audited legislation regarding children?


              *    What are the frustrations of the PPA?


          (b) Problems identified (which hinders service delivery)


              *     Non-attendance  of  senior  officials  in  workshops
                organised by the PPA


              *    A  lack  of  resources  to  co-ordinate  and  monitor
                policy/programmes   relating   to   children   in   all
                departments


              *    Programmes and activities are not the  responsibility
                of the PPA, but of the department of welfare


              *    The location of the PPA in the department of  welfare
                leads to a lack of budgeted funds and of recognition


              *    The present  formation  of  the  PPA  excludes  civil
                society


              *    Due to the above, the  effectiveness  and  visibility
                of the PPA has been non-existent - it has not been able
                to respond to the needs of children in the province.


          (c) Weaknesses identified (which hinders service delivery)
              *    No budget


              *    No staff


              *    No status


              *    It is not located in a  position  that  empowers  the
                programme to perform its functions


              *     Mobilisation   and   co-ordination,   as   well   as
                partnerships between the government and civil  society,
                do not exist.


     6. Presentation by PYC


          The  delegation  was  briefed  by  Mr   Thembisile   Macelesi,
          chairperson of the PYC.


          (a) Questions asked


              *    Does  the  PYC  have  statistics  on  youth  who  are
                infected with HIV/AIDS?


              *    What is the relationship  between  the  PYC  and  the
                Standing Committee?


              *    Why in the Provincial Youth  Commission  Act  is  the
                PYC  proposing  the  appointment  of  three   full-time
                provincial commissioners?


              *    What are  the  PYC's  expectations  of  the  Standing
                Committee?


              *    Why does the PYC want to  implement  or  start  pilot
                projects?


              *    How is the  relationship  between  the  PYC  and  the
                National Youth Commission?
              *    Is the  Premier  aware  of  the  dissolution  of  the
                Interdepartmental Youth Committee?


          (b) Problems identified (which hinders service delivery)


              *    There is no provision for the creation of  Provincial
                Youth Commissions in the National Youth Commission Act


              *    The National  Youth  Commission  Act  also  does  not
                outline the relationship between the NYC and PYC


              *    The National Youth Commission  Act  fails  to  define
                the role  of  provincial  governments  in  funding  the
                operations and programmes of the PYC.


          (c) Weaknesses identified


              *    Lack of clearly defined powers of the  NYC  over  the
                PYC


              *    Lack of monitoring of projects


              *    Lack of database on status of youth in the province


              *    Lack of co-ordination  of  youth  programmes  in  the
                province


              *    Shortcomings of the  NYC  are  allowed  to  influence
                their work.


     7. Outreach visit


          The Committee was divided into  two  groups,  because  of  the
          vastness of the province, and to award members an  opportunity
          to see different things at the same time. The one group  would
          report to the other.
          Places to be visited


          (a) Multi-Purpose Youth Centre in Cradock


          (b) Makana  Primary  School,  Day-Care  Hospital  and  Welfare
              Offices in Grahamstown


          (c) Special School for Mentally Disabled Children in Tsolo


          (d) Fabkomp factory in Sweetwater's


          Group 1


          This group went to Grahamstown and Cradock, and consisted of:


          *   Ms Bogopane, leader of the delegation


          *   Mr C Motsilili


          *   Mr T Macelesi
          *   Mr D P N Maloyi, Committee member


          *   Mr M I Moss, Committee member


          *   Mr N M Raju, Committee member


          *   Ms S Rajbally, Committee member.


          The aim was to evaluate the accessibility project, which is  a
          partnership between the PYC, the OSDP and  the  Department  of
          Public Works.


          (a) Accessibility project


              The project has benefitted young people and  will  benefit
              disabled people in the future.  The  following  weaknesses
              were identified:


              *    Before identifying and prioritising buildings,  there
                was not proper consultation with and agreement  by  the
                stakeholders, which, for example, led to buildings  not
                in urgent need of renovations being renovated.


                The deputy director of the OSDP herself  is  physically
                disabled. She has been in an  inaccessible  office  for
                the past two years - she could hardly identify her  own
                office for renovation.  Also,  there  is  no  sign  for
                parking for people with disability at the  legislature,
                where she parks every day. Instead, a primary school in
                a community in Grahamstown was renovated,  where  there
                is no disabled child enrolled.


              *    Lack  of  consultation  with  people  working  in  or
                heading the different  institutions  identified  to  be
                made accessible.


                For example: The Grahamstown Day Hospital used  a  ramp
                for stretchers when ambulances brought patients  there.
                The ramp can now not be used for that purpose  anymore,
                as walls have been built to make it  longer  so  as  to
                enable a person in  a  wheelchair  to  use  it  without
                assistance. So now the clinic is  inaccessible,  as  it
                has no ramp for severely ill patients.


                When we enquired how such a  mistake  can  happen,  the
                sisters and doctors indicated that  they  were  neither
                consulted nor informed of the renovations -  they  were
                not even aware of what else would be happening  to  the
                clinic. All they knew, was that people had come to take
                measurements; they never saw the plans or charts.
              *    The project is not supervised by  anybody  to  ensure
                that it meets  the  required  accessibility  standards,
                neither is anybody checking structure quality.


                At the Department  of  Welfare,  a  toilet  had  to  be
                renovated by fitting a  slightly  wider  sliding  door.
                However, all that was done, was to change the  door  to
                open from the outside instead of the inside, which made
                it difficult for a person in a wheelchair to  open  it,
                as it would open towards that person.


                At Makana Primary School, ramps  were  built,  but  the
                classroom was still inaccessible. A child would  go  up
                the ramp, but would not be able to enter the classroom.


              *    The project was not  planned;  the  stakeholders  did
                not  agree  to  the  duration  of  the  contract   (the
                commission indicated that the department had  said  the
                money  was  finished,  but  the  contractors  did   not
                complete the work).


              *    The OSDP indicated  that  it  is  the  South  African
                Federal Council on Disability (SAFCD) that had  handled
                the project. They provided the list  of  buildings  and
                accessibility guidelines, and  they  entered  into  the
                partnership, not the OSDP.


              *    The PYC indicated  that  they  were  responsible  for
                identifying young people for training as  well  as  for
                the institutions that trained young people.  They  were
                further  responsible  for   facilitating   a   way   of
                integrating these  young  people  at  the  end  of  the
                project. The employers have taken  some  of  the  young
                people permanently.


          (c) Visit to Mayor's office


              We met the Mayor and his councillors, but we  were  unable
              to hold a meaningful meeting - the lift was  not  working,
              so we could not reach his office. We were introduced,  and
              the purpose of the visit to Grahamstown was explained.


          (d) Visit to Youth Multi-Purpose Centre in Cradock


              This Centre is one of those built by the PCY. The  manager
              gave a brief background and took us on a tour  around  the
              building. He indicated that he would no longer be able  to
              manage  the  Centre,  as  he  was  going   back   to   the
              Department.
              The purpose of the Centre was for departments  to  use  it
              for their youth programmes.  Unfortunately  that  has  not
              happened yet, as it is  a  well-developed  structure,  but
              under-utilised at present.


          Group 2


          This group went to  the  Tsolo  Special  School  for  Mentally
          Disabled Children, and consisted of:


          *   Mr B Willem, leader of the delegation


          *   Ms Hobongwana, Standing Committee member


          *   Ms M S Maine, Committee member


          *   Ms N Cindi, Committee member


          *   Mrs J Witbooi, Committee member
          *   Ms C Nkuna, Committee member.


          (a) The principal of the school welcomed the delegation:


              *    In 1977, the School  started  catering  for  mentally
                disabled children only. The vision of this School is to
                develop and raise the level of self-esteem of  mentally
                disabled  children  through  education,  training   and
                practical skills. Through its  mission  statement,  the
                School is committed to work  in  partnership  with  all
                stakeholders, so as to ensure that each learner receive
                the best education.


              *    At present, the School has  an  enrolment  figure  of
                70, and three teachers employed by the government, plus
                two volunteers and nine non-teachers.
              *    The government, grants and school fees  of  R100  per
                learner per month fund the school.


              *    The  school  governing  body  consists  of  a  social
                worker,  a  psychiatric  nurse,   four   parents,   two
                community members and the school principal.


          (b) Constraints


              The principal mentioned the following  problems  hindering
              the effectiveness of the school:


              *    Lack of access to telephones


              *    Lack of access to electricity


              *    Lack of accommodation


              *    Lack of beds and bedding.


          (c) Meeting with Premier


              The Committee met with the Premier before  they  left  the
              province  on  4  May.  Introductions  were  done  by  both
              chairpersons.


              The  background  to  the  visit  was  set   out   by   the
              chairperson of the  Committee.  The  provincial  programme
              was  outlined  by  the   chairperson   of   the   Standing
              Committee.


              The Premier welcomed the Committee to his Office  (not  to
              the province, as that had already been done by the  deputy
              speaker). He also thanked  us  for  visiting  the  Eastern
              Cape.


              Ms Bogopane highlighted our findings  and  recommendations
              to  be  considered  by  the  province,  and  referred   to
              presentations, questions asked and weaknesses  identified.
              Findings  and  recommendations  in  this  Report  are  the
              issues raised with the Premier,  recommendations  made  to
              him and his response to questions.


 C.     Conclusion


     This visit was long overdue - the province required guidance  on  a
     number of areas, and we were in a  position  to  assist.  Committee
     members were exposed to the  challenges  faced  by  provinces,  the
     interpretation of some of the legislation passed  by  the  National
     Assembly and how this  impacts  on  the  lives  of  people  in  the
     province.


     Lack of exposure to a  number  of  activities,  and  to  documents,
     impedes smooth functioning and  interpretation  of  issues  by  the
     province. The impact of poverty  is  a  reality  in  the  province.
     There  is  a  high  level  of  illiteracy,  and  officials  in  the
     Premier's Office lack a  general  understanding  of  the  political
     clout  and  status  of  their  programme  in  relation   to   other
     departments.


     Due to the vast needs of the province,  institutions  such  as  the
     PYC, which is supposed  to  be  co-ordinating  programmes,  end  up
     implementing programmes in order to  try  and  meet  the  needs  of
     young people in the province. This  leads  to  misunderstanding  of
     the  role  of  these  programmes,  and  the  chances  of  it  being
     corrected, are very slim.


 D.     Recommendations


     The Committee recommends that:


          (a) the name and status of the Standing  Committee  on  Youth,
              Gender and Disabled be changed


          (b) the Provincial Plan of Action for children be relocated to
              the Premier's Office


          (c) budgets be allocated to programmes, so as to enable it  to
              function properly


          (d) the OSDP be staffed immediately to ensure that it is well-
              equipped to respond to the needs of disabled people


          (e)   the   Integrated   National   Disability   Strategy   be
              provincialised  to  ensure  that  it   responds   to   the
              immediate needs of disabled people


          (f)  an  awareness  campaign   on   inclusive   education   be
              established, led by the Standing Committee


          (g) amendments to the promotion  of  youth  affairs  be  fast-
              tracked
          (h) the amendments in  paragraph  (g)  above  also  include  a
              reduction in the number  of  commissioners  and  in  their
              terms of office


          (i) the restructuring of the Provincial  Youth  Commission  be
              accelerated


          (j) the role of  the  Premier's  Office  be  re-emphasised  to
              public servants serving  in  that  Office,  and  that  the
              Standing Committee explain their political  responsibility
              to them


          (k) the Standing Committee concentrate on  the  implementation
              and  allocation  of  budgets  to  the  programmes  it   is
              responsible for


          (l)  the  Standing  Committee  no  longer  deal  with   junior
              officials but with heads of department


          (m) the Standing Committee monitor all departments,  not  only
              ones closely linked to it.


 Report to be considered.

                     THURSDAY, 13 DECEMBER 2001

ANNOUNCEMENTS:

National Assembly and National Council of Provinces:

  1. The Speaker and the Chairperson:
 (1)    Assent by the Acting President of the Republic in respect of the
     following Bills:


     (a)     Demobilisation Amendment Bill [B 5B - 2001] - Act No 43  of
              2001 (assented to and signed by  Acting  President  on  11
              December 2001);


     (b)     Termination of Integration Intake Bill [B 6B - 2001] -  Act
              No 44 of 2001 (assented to and signed by Acting  President
              on 11 December 2001); and


     (c)     Medical Schemes Amendment Bill [B 80B - 2001] - Act  No  55
              of 2001 (assented to and signed by Acting President on  11
              December 2001).

National Council of Provinces:

  1. The Chairperson:
 The vacancy in the representation of the Province of the Western  Cape,
 which occurred owing to the resignation of Ms  J  Witbooi  with  effect
 from 4 December 2001, has been filled with effect from 5 December  2001
 by the appointment of Dr A E van Zyl.
  1. The Chairperson:
 The following papers have been tabled  and  are  now  referred  to  the
 relevant committees as mentioned below:


 (1)    The following papers are referred to  the  Select  Committee  on
     Public Services:


     (a)     Bilateral Air Service Agreement between the  Government  of
          the Republic of South Africa and the Government of the Kingdom
          of  Sweden,  tabled  in  terms  of  section  231(3)   of   the
          Constitution, 1996.


     (b)     Bilateral Air Service Agreement between the  Government  of
          the Republic of South Africa and the Government of the Kingdom
          of  Denmark,  tabled  in  terms  of  section  231(3)  of   the
          Constitution, 1996.


     (c)     Bilateral Air Service Agreement between the  Government  of
          the Republic of South Africa and the Government of the Kingdom
          of  Norway,  tabled  in  terms  of  section  231(3)   of   the
          Constitution, 1996.


     (d)     Agreement between the Government of the Republic  of  South
          Africa and the Government of the United Arab Emirates for  Air
          Services between  and  beyond  their  respective  territories,
          tabled in terms of section 231(3) of the Constitution, 1996.


     (e)     Agreement between the Government of the Republic  of  South
          Africa and the Government of the People's  Republic  of  China
          relating to Civil Air Transport, tabled in  terms  of  section
          231(3) of the Constitution, 1996.


     (f)     Air Transport  Agreement  between  the  Government  of  the
          Republic of South Africa and the  Government  of  the  Islamic
          Republic of Iran, tabled in terms of  section  231(3)  of  the
          Constitution, 1996.


     (g)     Bilateral Air Service Agreement between the  Government  of
          the Republic  of  South  Africa  and  the  Government  of  the
          Republic of Cuba, tabled in terms of  section  231(3)  of  the
          Constitution, 1996.


     (h)     Agreement between the Government of the Republic  of  South
          Africa  and  the  Government  of   the   Hong   Kong   Special
          Administrative  Region  of  the  People's  Republic  of  China
          concerning Air Services, tabled in terms of section 231(3)  of
          the Constitution, 1996.


     (i)     Bilateral Air Service Agreement between the  Government  of
          the Republic  of  South  Africa  and  the  Government  of  the
          Republic of Yemen, tabled in terms of section  231(3)  of  the
          Constitution, 1996.
 (2)    The following paper is referred to the Select Committee on  Land
     and Environmental Affairs:


     Report  and  Financial  Statements  of  the  Land  Bank  for  2000,
     including the  Report  of  the  Auditor-General  on  the  Financial
     Statements for 2000.

TABLINGS:

National Assembly and National Council of Provinces:

Papers:

  1. The Speaker and the Chairperson:
 Report of the  Auditor-General  on  the  Financial  Statements  of  the
 Reinsurance Fund for Export Credit and Foreign  Investments  for  2000-
 2001 [RP 194-2001].
  1. The Minister of Arts, Culture, Science and Technology:
 (1)    Report and Financial Statements of the  South  African  Heritage
     Resources  Agency  for  2000-2001,  including  the  Report  of  the
     Auditor-General on the Financial Statements for 2000-2001.


 (2)    Report and Financial Statements of the National Film  and  Video
     Foundation for 2000-2001, including  the  Report  of  the  Auditor-
     General on the Financial Statements for 2000-2001 [RP 196-2001].


 (3)    Report of the National Advisory Council on Innovation for  2000-
     2001.
  1. The Minister of Public Enterprises:
 (1)    Report  and  Financial  Statements  of  South  African  Forestry
     Company Limited for 1998-99.


 (2)    Report  and  Financial  Statements  of  South  African  Forestry
     Company Limited for 1999-2000.
  1. The Minister of Trade and Industry:
 Report  and  Financial  Statements  of   the   Industrial   Development
 Corporation of South Africa Limited for 2000-2001.
  1. The Minister for the Public Service and Administration:
 Report and Financial Statements of State Information Technology  Agency
 for 2000-2001, including the  Report  of  the  Auditor-General  on  the
 Financial Statements for 2000-2001 [RP 127-2001].

COMMITTEE REPORTS:

National Assembly and National Council of Provinces:

  1. Report of the Constitutional Review Committee, dated 14 November 2001:
 The Constitutional Review Committee reports as follows:


 1.     As a result of a very full parliamentary programme and  members'
     many other duties and commitments, the  Committee  met  only  three
     times. The subgroup, whose task it was to consider the  submissions
     received and to plan  the  Constitutional  Literacy  Campaign,  met
     twice only. The result was that the  Committee  did  not  have  the
     time to consider the submissions it had received, as it would  have
     liked to.


 2.     The Committee received 328 submissions. Because no due date  had
     been indicated in  the  advertisement,  submissions  were  received
     throughout the year.


 3.     Issues raised in the  submissions  included  the  following,  in
     order of numbers:
     (a)     Right to possess, bear and use firearms.


     (b)     Death penalty.


     (c)     Rule of Law and fitting punishment for criminals.


     (d)     Electoral system.


     (e)      Chapter  Nine  bodies  -  appointment  of  members,  size,
          performance and efficacy.


     (f)     Multilingualism.


     (g)     Rights and powers  of  local,  traditional  and  indigenous
          leaders.


     (h)     Bill of Rights.


     (i)     Accountability of public representatives.


     (j)     Separation of powers.


 4.     It was apparent from the submissions received that most  members
     of the public did not have a clear understanding of what should  be
     enshrined in the Constitution, and what should be provided  for  in
     legislation. The Committee was very aware of this fact, and  tasked
     its  subgroup  to  investigate  the  possibility  to   initiate   a
     Constitutional Literacy Campaign, to  be  run  countrywide,  before
     the next general election.


 5.     The Committee realised that, when formulating advertisements  in
     future, it would be wise to focus  on  certain  issues  each  year,
     without precluding submissions from the public on  general  issues.
     Political parties should submit representations  on  constitutional
     matters which they regard in need of attention.


 6.     The Committee is of the view that there is a need to clarify its
     role in relation to other parliamentary committees,  which  propose
     and effect amendments to the Constitution.  The  Committee  further
     deems  it  desirable  that  all   envisaged   amendments   to   the
     Constitution also be referred to it for input. The Committee  deems
     it important that there  should  be  a  clear  understanding  among
     parliamentary  committees  about  their  individual  functions  and
     powers. This matter needs to be pursued in 2002.


 Report to be considered.

                      TUESDAY, 15 JANUARY 2002

ANNOUNCEMENTS:

National Assembly and National Council of Provinces:

  1. The Speaker and the Chairperson:
 (1)    The Minister for Justice and  Constitutional  Development  on  7
     December 2001 submitted a draft of the Insolvency  Amendment  Bill,
     2001, as well as the  memorandum  explaining  the  objects  of  the
     proposed legislation, to the Speaker and the Chairperson  in  terms
     of Joint Rule 159. The draft has been  referred  to  the  Portfolio
     Committee on Justice and Constitutional Development and the  Select
     Committee on Security and Constitutional  Affairs  by  the  Speaker
     and the Chairperson, respectively, in accordance  with  Joint  Rule
     159(2).

National Council of Provinces:

  1. The Chairperson:
 The Minister of Finance on 4 December  2001  submitted  drafts  of  the
 Development Bank of Southern  Africa  Amendment  Bill,  2001,  and  the
 Financial Services Ombudschemes Bill, 2001, as well  as  the  memoranda
 explaining the objects of the proposed legislation, to the  Chairperson
 in terms of Joint Rule 159. The drafts have been referred to the Select
 Committee on Finance by the Chairperson in accordance with  Joint  Rule
 159(2).

TABLINGS:

National Assembly and National Council of Provinces:

Papers:

  1. The Speaker and the Chairperson:
 Interim Report of the Special Investigating Unit for 2001.
  1. The Minister for Agriculture and Land Affairs:
 Report and Financial Statements of the Department  of  Agriculture  for
 2000-2001, including the Report of the Auditor-General on the Financial
 Statements of Vote 3 - Agriculture for 2000-2001 [RP 83-2001]. 3.    The Minister of Water Affairs and Forestry:


 (a)    Report and Financial Statements of Albany Coast Water Board  for
     2000-2001.
 (b)    Report and Financial Statements of Amatola Water Board for 2000-
     2001.
 (c)    Report and Financial Statements of Ikangala Water Board for 2000-
     2001.
 (d)    Report and Financial Statements of Kalahari East Water Board for
     2000-2001.
 (e)    Report and Financial Statements of Kalahari West Water Board for
     2000-2001.
 (f)    Report and Financial Statements of Mhlatuze Water Board for 2000-
     2001.
 (g)    Report and Financial  Statements  of  North  West  Water  Supply
     Authority Board for 2000-2001.
 (h)    Report and Financial Statements of Overberg Water Board for 2000-
     2001.
 (i)    Report and Financial Statements of Rand Water  Board  for  2000-
     2001.
 (j)    Report and Financial Statements of Umgeni Water Board for  2000-
     2001.
 (k)    Environment, Health and Safety Report of Umgeni Water Board  for
     2000-2001.
 (l)    Technical and Scientific Statistics Report of Umgeni Water Board
     for 2000-2001.

National Council of Provinces:

  1. The Chairperson:
 The President of the Republic submitted the following letter,  dated  4
 January 2002, to the Chairperson of the National Council  of  Provinces
 informing Parliament of the employment of the  South  African  National
 Defence Force:


     Dear Mrs Pandor,


     EMPLOYMENT  OF  THE  SOUTH  AFRICAN  NATIONAL  DEFENCE   FORCE   IN
     COMPLIANCE WITH THE INTERNATIONAL OBLIGATIONS OF  THE  REPUBLIC  OF
     SOUTH AFRICA TOWARDS THE ORGANISATION OF AFRICAN UNITY


     This serves to inform the National  Council  of  Provinces  that  I
     authorised the employment of South African National  Defence  Force
     (SANDF) personnel to fulfil the international  obligations  of  the
     Republic of South Africa towards the OAU  Mission  in  the  Federal
     Islamic Republic of Comoros (FIRC).


     This employment was authorised in accordance  with  the  provisions
     of Section 82(4)(b)(ii) read with Section 227(1)(b) and (c) of  the
     Constitution of the Republic of South Africa, 1993 (Act No. 200  of
     1993), [which Sections continue to be in force  in  terms  of  item
     24(1) of Schedule 6 to the Constitution of the  Republic  of  South
     Africa, 1996 (Act No. 108 of  1996)],  read  further  with  Section
     3(2)(a)(v) of the Defence Act, 1957 (Act No. 44 of 1957).


     A total of 4 personnel has been deployed  to  the  Federal  Islamic
     Republic of the Comoros (FIRC) to  act  as  military  observers  as
     part of the  OAU  Military  Observer  Mission  to  the  Comoros  to
     oversee the operation of arms collection on the island of Anjouan.


     The deployment is made up of:


          (a) 1X Colonel - Small arms expert to lead the mission
          (b) 1X Major - Small arms expert
          (c) 1X Warrant Officer - Secretary
          (d) 1X Warrant Officer - Small arms expert


     The SANDF members have been deployed for a total of  21  days  with
     the possibility that members  may  be  required  to  deploy  for  a
     maximum period of up to six months to cover possible  extension  of
     the mission.


     The expected costs for the deployment of personnel for 21  days  up
     to a maximum of 180 days (6 months) to  the  mission  area  are  as
     follows:


          (a) Deployment of 4 personnel for 21  days  (accommodation  in
              tents)R34 740,30
          (b) Deployment of 4 personnel for 21  days  (accommodation  in
              hotelR30 064,86
          (c) Deployment of 4 personnel for 180 days  (accommodation  in
              tents)R222 059,69
          (d) Deployment of 4 personnel for 21  days  (accommodation  in
              tents)R181 984,49
          (e) Transport and accommodation for mobilisation (two  members
              to mobilise from Cape Town -  costs  already  included  in
              the above totals)R10 000,00


     The total cost may thus amount to a total  of  between  R30  064,86
     and R222 059,69.


     The Department of Defence is responsible  for  the  costs  of  this
     deployment.


     I will also communicate this report to the Members of the  National
     Assembly, and wish to request that you bring the contents  of  this
     report to the notice of the National Council of Provinces.


     Regards


     TM MBEKI

                      THURSDAY, 17 JANUARY 2002

TABLINGS:

National Assembly and National Council of Provinces:

Papers:

  1. The Speaker and the Chairperson:
 Report and Financial Statements of the Pan South African Language Board
 for 2000-2001.
  1. The Minister of Finance:
 (1)    Resolutions of the Standing Committee  on  Public  Accounts  for
     2001 and replies  thereto  obtained  by  the  National  Treasury  -
     Third, Fourth and Sixth Reports, 2001.


 (2)    Government Notice No 1045 published in the Government Gazette No
     22757 dated 17 October 2001, Determination  of  interest  rate  for
     purposes of Paragraph (a) of the definition of  "official  rate  of
     interest" in Paragraph 1 of the Seventh Schedule to the Income  Tax
     Act, 1962, made in terms of the Income Tax Act, 1962 (Act No 58  of
     1962).


 (3)    Government Notice No R.1176 published in the Government  Gazette
     No 22822 dated 16 November 2001,  Repeal  of  the  Debt  Standstill
     Regulations, made in  terms  of  section  9  of  the  Currency  and
     Exchanges Act, 1933 (Act No 9 of 1933).


 (4)    Government Notice No R.1227 published in the Government  Gazette
     No 21 November 2001, Regulations made in terms  of  section  12G(7)
     of the Income Tax Act, 1962 (Act No 58 of 1962).


 (5)    Proclamation No R.61 published  in  the  Government  Gazette  No
     22814 dated 6 November 2001, Transfer of the administration of  the
     National Development Agency Act, 1998 (Act  No  108  of  1998)  and
     power or function from the Minister of Finance to the  Minister  of
     Social  Development,  made  in  terms  of   section   97   of   the
     Constitution of the Republic of South Africa, 1996 (Act No  108  of
     1996).
  1. The Minister of Labour:
 (1)    Report and Financial Statements  of  the  Wholesale  and  Retail
     Sector Education and Training Authority  for  2000-2001,  including
     the Report of the Auditor-General on the Financial  Statements  for
     2000-2001 [RP 192-2001].


 (2)    Report and Financial Statements of the Diplomacy,  Intelligence,
     Defence and Trade Education and Training Authority for 2000-2001.


 (3)    Report and Financial Statements  of  the  Sector  Education  and
     Training  Authority  for  Secondary  Agriculture   for   2000-2001,
     including the  Report  of  the  Auditor-General  on  the  Financial
     Statements for 2000-2001 [RP 210-2001].


 (4)    Report and Financial  Statements  of  the  Information  Systems,
     Electronics and  Telecommunication  Technologies  Sector  Education
     and Training Authority for 2000-2001, including the Report  of  the
     Auditor-General on the Financial Statements for 2000-2001.
  1. The Minister of Water Affairs and Forestry: (1) Report and Financial Statements of the Magalies Water Board for 2000-2001.
 (2)    Report and Financial Statements of the  Pelladrift  Water  Board
     for 2000-2001.

                     WEDNESDAY, 23 JANUARY 2002

ANNOUNCEMENTS:

National Assembly and National Council of Provinces:

  1. The Speaker and the Chairperson:
 (1)    Assent by the President  of  the  Republic  in  respect  of  the
     following Bills:


     (a)     Private Security Industry Regulation Bill [B 12B - 2001]  -
              Act No 56 of 2001 (assented to and signed by President  on
              15 January 2002); and


     (b)     Unemployment Insurance Bill [B 3D - 2001] - Act  No  63  of
              2001 (assented to and signed by President  on  13  January
              2002).


 (2)    The Minister for Agriculture  and  Land  Affairs  submitted  the
     Wetsontwerp op die Identifikasie van Diere [W 49 - 2001]  (National
     Assembly - sec 75)  to  the  Speaker  and  the  Chairperson  on  22
     January 2002. This  is  the  official  translation  of  the  Animal
     Identification Bill [B 49 - 2001] (National  Assembly  -  sec  75),
     which was introduced in the National Assembly by  the  Minister  on
     27 August 2001.

TABLINGS:

National Assembly and National Council of Provinces:

Papers:

  1. The Minister of Public Enterprises:
 (1)    Annual Report and Financial  Statements  of  the  South  African
     Forestry Company Limited (SAFCOL) for 2000-2001.
  1. The Minister of Labour:
 (1)    Convention concerning Tripartite Consultations  to  Promote  the
     Implementation of International Labour Standards, 1976  (Convention
     No 144), tabled in terms of section  231(2)  of  the  Constitution,
     1996.


 (2)    Convention concerning Occupational Safety  and  Health  and  the
     Working Environment, 1983 (Convention No 155), tabled in  terms  of
     section 231(2) of the Constitution, 1996.


 (3)    Explanatory Memorandum to the Conventions.


 (4)    Report and Financial  Statements  of  the  Primary  Agricultural
     Sector Education and Training Authority  for  2000-2001,  including
     the Report of the Auditor-General on the Financial  Statements  for
     2000-2001 [RP 213-2001].


 (5)    Report and Financial Statements of the Financial and  Accounting
     Services Sector Education and  Training  Authority  for  2000-2001,
     including the  Report  of  the  Auditor-General  on  the  Financial
     Statements for 2000-2001 [RP 185-2001].


 (6)    Report and Financial Statements of the Transport  Education  and
     Training Authority for  2000-2001,  including  the  Report  of  the
     Auditor-General on the Financial Statements for 2000-2001.

                       FRIDAY, 25 JANUARY 2002

ANNOUNCEMENTS:

National Assembly and National Council of Provinces:

  1. The Speaker and the Chairperson:
 The Minister for Justice and Constitutional Development on 13  December
 2001 submitted drafts of the Restoration of Enrolment of Certain  Legal
 Practitioners Bill, 2001, and the Child Justice Bill, 2001, as well  as
 the memorandums explaining the objects of the proposed legislation,  to
 the Speaker and the Chairperson in terms of Joint Rule 159. The  drafts
 have  been  referred  to  the  Portfolio  Committee  on   Justice   and
 Constitutional Development and the Select  Committee  on  Security  and
 Constitutional  Affairs   by   the   Speaker   and   the   Chairperson,
 respectively, in accordance with Joint Rule 159(2).

National Council of Provinces:

  1. The Chairperson:
 The following papers have been tabled  and  are  now  referred  to  the
 relevant committees as mentioned below:
 (1)    The following paper is  referred  to  the  Select  Committee  on
     Security and Constitutional Affairs:


     Interim Report of the Special Investigating Unit for 2001.


 (2)    The following papers are referred to  the  Select  Committee  on
     Land and Environmental Affairs:


     (a)     Report  and  Financial  Statements  of  the  Department  of
          Agriculture for 2000-2001, including the Report of the Auditor-
          General on the Financial Statements of Vote  3  -  Agriculture
          for 2000-2001 [RP 83-2001].


     (b)     Report and Financial Statements of Albany Water  Board  for
          2000-2001.


     (c)     Report and Financial Statements of Amatola Water Board  for
          2000-2001.


     (d)     Report and Financial Statements  of  Ikangala  Water  Board
          for 2000-2001.


     (e)     Report and Financial  Statements  of  Kalahari  East  Water
          Board for 2000-2001.


     (f)     Report and Financial  Statements  of  Kalahari  West  Water
          Board for 2000-2001.


     (g)     Report and Financial Statements  of  Mhlatuze  Water  Board
          for 2000-2001.


     (h)     Report and Financial Statements of North West Water  Supply
          Authority Board for 2000-2001.


     (i)     Report and Financial Statements  of  Overberg  Water  Board
          for 2000-2001.


     (j)     Report and Financial Statements of  Rand  Water  Board  for
          2000-2001.


     (k)     Report and Financial Statements of Umgeni Water  Board  for
          2000-2001.


     (l)     Environment, Health  and  Safety  Report  of  Umgeni  Water
          Board for 2000-2001.


     (m)     Technical and Scientific Statistics of Umgeni  Water  Board
          for 2000-2001.


 (3)    The following papers are referred to  the  Select  Committee  on
     Finance:


     (a)     Government Notice No 1045 published in  Government  Gazette
          No 22757 dated 17 October 2001, Determination of interest rate
          for purposes of Paragraph (a) of the definition  of  "official
          rate of interest" in Paragraph 1 of the  Seventh  Schedule  to
          the Income Tax Act, 1962, made in terms of the Income Tax Act,
          1962 (Act No 58 of 1962).


     (b)      Government  Notice  No  R.1176  published  in   Government
          Gazette No 22822 dated 16 November 2001, Repeal  of  the  Debt
          Standstill Regulations, made in terms  of  section  9  of  the
          Currency and Exchanges Act, 1933 (Act No 9 of 1933).


     (c)      Government  Notice  No  R.1227  published  in   Government
          Gazette No 22848 dated 21 November 2001, Regulations  made  in
          terms of section 12G(7) of the Income Tax Act, 1962 (Act No 58
          of 1962).


 (4)    The following paper is  referred  to  the  Select  Committee  on
     Finance and to the Select Committee on Social Services:


     Proclamation No R.61  published  in  Government  Gazette  No  22814
     dated 6 November  2001,  Transfer  of  the  administration  of  the
     National Development Agency Act, 1998 (Act  No  108  of  1998)  and
     power or function from the Minister of Finance to the  Minister  of
     Social  Development,  made  in  terms  of   section   97   of   the
     Constitution of the Republic of South Africa, 1996 (Act No  108  of
     1996).


 (5)    The following paper is  referred  to  the  Select  Committee  on
     Education and Recreation:


     Report and Financial Statements of the Pan South  African  Language
     Board for 2000-2001.


 (6)    The following paper is  referred  to  the  Select  Committee  on
     Labour and Public  Enterprises  and  to  the  Select  Committee  on
     Economic Affairs:


     Report and Financial Statements of the Wholesale and Retail  Sector
     Education and  Training  Authority  for  2000-2001,  including  the
     Report of the Auditor-General on the Financial Statements for 2000-
     2001 [RP 192-2001].


 (7)    The following paper is  referred  to  the  Select  Committee  on
     Labour and Public  Enterprises  and  to  the  Select  Committee  on
     Security and Constitutional Affairs:


     Report and Financial Statements  of  the  Diplomacy,  Intelligence,
     Defence and Trade Education and Training Authority for 2000-2001.


 (8)    The following paper is  referred  to  the  Select  Committee  on
     Labour and Public Enterprises and to the Select Committee  on  Land
     and Environmental Affairs:


     Report  and  Financial  Statements  of  the  Sector  Education  and
     Training  Authority  for  Secondary  Agriculture   for   2000-2001,
     including the  Report  of  the  Auditor-General  on  the  Financial
     Statements for 2000-2001 [RP 210-2001].


 (9)    The following paper is  referred  to  the  Select  Committee  on
     Labour and Public Enterprises:


     Report  and  Financial  Statements  of  the  Information   Systems,
     Electronics and  Telecommunication  Technologies  Sector  Education
     and Training Authority for 2000-2001, including the Report  of  the
     Auditor-General on the Financial Statements for 2000-2001.


 (10)The following paper is referred to the Select Committee on Land and
     Environmental Affairs:


     Report and Financial Statements of the  Magalies  Water  Board  for
     2000-2001.

TABLINGS:

National Assembly and National Council of Provinces:

Papers:

  1. The Speaker and the Chairperson:
 The Report of the Auditor-General on the Annual Financial Statements of
 the Universal Service Agency and the Universal Service Fund  for  2000-
 2001 [RP 215-2001].
  1. The Minister of Minerals and Energy:
 Report and Financial Statements of the Council for Geoscience for 2000-
 2001, including the Report of  the  Auditor-General  on  the  Financial
 Statements for 2000-2001.

                     WEDNESDAY, 30 JANUARY 2002

TABLINGS:

National Assembly and National Council of Provinces:

Papers:

  1. The Minister of Environmental Affairs and Tourism:
 (a)    Report and Financial Statements of the  South  African  National
     Parks Board for 2000-2001, including the  Report  of  the  Auditor-
     General on the Financial Statements for 2000-2001.


 (b)    Report and Financial Statements of the Marine  Living  Resources
     Fund for 2000-2001, including the Report of the Auditor-General  on
     the Financial Statements for 2000-2001 [RP 215-2001].

COMMITTEE REPORTS:

National Council of Provinces:

  1. Report of the Select Committee on Land and Environmental Affairs on the Veterinary and Para-Veterinary Professions Amendment Bill [B 66B - 2001] (National Assembly - sec 75), dated 22 January 2002:

    The Select Committee on Land and Environmental Affairs, having considered the subject of the Veterinary and Para-Veterinary Professions Amendment Bill [B 66B - 2001] (National Assembly - sec 75), referred to it, reports the Bill with proposed amendments, as follows:

    CLAUSE 3

    1. On page 3, in line 60, to omit “5(2)(f) or (g)” and to substitute with “ 5(2)(a)(d)(e)(f) or (g)”.

    2. On page 4, in line 1, to omit “;” and to insert “,where required to be so”.

    3. On page 4, in line 21, to omit “[council] standing committee” and to substitute with “council”.

  2. Report of the Select Committee on Land and Environmental Affairs on the Animal Identification Bill [B 49 - 2001] (National Assembly - sec 75), dated 22 January 2002:

    The Select Committee on Land and Environmental Affairs, having considered the subject of the Animal Identification Bill [B 49 - 2001] (National Assembly - sec 75), referred to it, reports the Bill with proposed amendments, as follows:

    CLAUSE 1

    1. On page 2, in line 19, to omit “or”.

    2. On page 2, in line 21, to insert “or” after “tag;”

    3. On page 2, after line 21, to add the following paragraph:

      (d)    notch or hole;
      
      
      CLAUSE 12
      
    4. On page 4, in line 30, to omit “sampling” and to substitute with “seizure”. MONDAY, 4 FEBRUARY 2002

ANNOUNCEMENTS:

National Assembly and National Council of Provinces:

  1. The Speaker and the Chairperson:
 (1)    The Minister of Finance on 29 January 2002 submitted a draft  of
     the Local Government: Municipal Finance Management Bill,  2002,  as
     well as the memorandum  explaining  the  objects  of  the  proposed
     legislation, to the Speaker and the Chairperson in terms  of  Joint
     Rule 159. The draft has been referred to  the  Portfolio  Committee
     on Finance and the Select Committee on Finance by the  Speaker  and
     the  Chairperson,  respectively,  in  accordance  with  Joint  Rule
     159(2).


 (2)    The following Bill was introduced by the Minister of Finance  in
     the National Assembly on 1 February 2002 and referred to the  Joint
     Tagging Mechanism (JTM) for classification in terms of  Joint  Rule
     160:


     (i)     Local Government: Municipal Finance Management Bill [B 1  -
          2002] (National Assembly - sec 75) [Bill and prior  notice  of
          its introduction published in Government Gazette No  22645  of
          31 August 2001.]


     The Bill has been referred to the Portfolio  Committee  on  Finance
     of the National Assembly.


          NOTE:
          The Portfolio Committee on Finance has been instructed by  the
          Speaker in  terms  of  National  Assembly  Rule  249(3)(c)  to
          consult  the  Portfolio  Committee  on  Provincial  and  Local
          Government on the Bill.


     In terms of Joint Rule 154 written views on the  classification  of
     the Bill may be submitted to  the  Joint  Tagging  Mechanism  (JTM)
     within three parliamentary working days.


 (3)    The following  Bill  was  introduced  by  the  Minister  in  The
     Presidency  in  the  National  Assembly  on  4  February  2002  and
     referred to the Joint Tagging Mechanism  (JTM)  for  classification
     in terms of Joint Rule 160:


     (i)     Media Development and Diversity Agency Bill [B  2  -  2002]
          (National Assembly - sec 75) [Bill and  prior  notice  of  its
          introduction published in Government Gazette  No  23090  of  4
          February 2002.]


     The  Bill  has  been  referred  to  the  Portfolio   Committee   on
     Communications of the National Assembly.


     In terms of Joint Rule 154 written views on the  classification  of
     the Bill may be submitted to  the  Joint  Tagging  Mechanism  (JTM)
     within three parliamentary working days.

TABLINGS:

National Assembly and National Council of Provinces:

Papers:

  1. The Minister for Justice and Constitutional Development:
 (1)    Proclamation No R.56 published in Government  Gazette  No  22811
     dated 2 November 2001,  Referral  of  matter  to  existing  Special
     Investigating Unit and Special Tribunal, made in terms  of  section
     2(1) of the Special Investigating Units and Special  Tribunal  Act,
     1996 (Act No 74 of 1996).


 (2)    Proclamation No R.57 published in Government  Gazette  No  22811
     dated 2 November 2001,  Referral  of  matter  to  existing  Special
     Investigating Unit and Special Tribunal, made in terms  of  section
     2(1) of the Special Investigating Units and Special  Tribunal  Act,
     1996 (Act No 74 of 1996).


 (3)    Government Notice No R.957 published in  Government  Gazette  No
     22741 dated 5 October 2001, Amendment of  regulations  relating  to
     Sheriffs, 1990, made in terms of section 62 of  the  Sheriffs  Act,
     1986 (Act No 90 of 1986).


 (4)    Government Notice No R.1002 published in Government  Gazette  No
     22734 dated 12 October 2001, Regulations in terms  of  section  103
     of the Administration of Estates Act, 1965 (Act No 66 of 1965).


 (5)    Legal Aid Guide, 2001 from the Legal Aid Board.
  1. The Minister for Agriculture and Land Affairs: Report and Financial Statements of the Department of Land Affairs for 2000-2001, including the Reports of the Auditor-General on the Financial Statements of Vote 20 - Land Affairs for 2000-2001 and on the Financial Statements of the Registration of Deeds Trading Account for 2000-2001 [RP 180-2001].

  2. The Minister of Minerals and Energy:

 Report and Financial Statements of the National Nuclear  Regulator  for
 2000-2001, including the Report of the Auditor-General on the Financial
 Statements for 2000-2001.

                      TUESDAY, 5 FEBRUARY 2002

ANNOUNCEMENTS:

National Assembly and National Council of Provinces:

  1. The Speaker and Chairperson:
The following changes  have  been  made  to  the  membership  of  Joint
 Committees, viz:


 Joint Budget Committee:


 Appointed: Koornhof, G W.


 Joint  Monitoring  Committee  on  Children,  Youth  and  Persons   with
 Disability:


 Appointed: Morkel, C M; Witbooi, J.


 Joint Monitoring Committee on Improvement on Quality of Life and Status
 of Women:


 Appointed: Camerer, S M; Witbooi, J; Nel, P J C (Alt); Mndende, N.


 Joint Standing Committee on Defence:


 Appointed: Blaas, A; Horne, J; Smit, H A (Alt).


 Joint Standing Committee on Intelligence:


 Appointed: Matthee, P A; Olckers, M E.

National Council of Provinces:

  1. The Chairperson:
Regrouping of Select Committees with effect from 1 January 2002:


 [A1] Security & Constitutional Affairs:


 (Justice & Constitutional  Development,  Safety  &  Security,  Defence,
 Correctional Services)


 Province     Party Delegate        Male        Female


 Eastern       Cape      ANC   W Boyce          M


 Free State   ANC  T Ralane         M


                 DP      C-S Botha (alt)       F


 Gauteng      ANC  MW Moosa (alt)         M


                 ANC     J Kgoali        F


                 NNP     EA Conroy       M


 KwaZulu-Natal     NNP   PA Matthee       M


                 ANC     Prince BZ Zulu        M


 Mpumalanga   ANC  BJ Mkhalipi      M


                 DP      GR Krumbock           M


 Northern Cape     ANC   EN Lubidla       F


                 ANC     MA Sulliman (alt)     M


                 NNP     J Horne    M


North West   DP    L Lever (alt)    M


                 ANC     PDN Maloyi M


                ANC      ME Surty (alt)   M


 Northern
 Province     ANC  Kgoshi M L Mokoena     M
                                  (Chair)


                UDM      R M Nyakane      M


 Western Cape ANC  ND Ntwanambi (alt)     F


                ACDP     KDS Durr (alt)   M


                NNP      C Ackermann      M


 [A2] Local Government & Administration:


 (Provincial & Local Government, Public Service & Administration)


 Province     Party Delegate        Male        Female


 Eastern Cape ANC  W Boyce     M


 Free State   ANC  T Ralane    M


                DP C-S Botha (alt)  F
 Gauteng      ANC  MW Moosa (alt)   M


                ANC      J Kgoali   F


                NNP      EA Conroy  M


 KwaZulu-Natal     NNP   PA Matthee M


                ANC      Prince BZ Zulu   M


 Mpumalanga   ANC  BJ Mkhaliphi     M
                                  (Chair)


                DP GR Krumbock M


 Northern
Cape    ANC  EN Lubidla F


                ANC      MA Sulliman (alt)     M


                NNP      J Horne    M


 North West   DP   L Lever (alt)    M


                ANC      PDN Maloyi M


 Northern
 Province     ANC  Kgoshi M L Mokoena     M


                UDM      RM Nyakane M


 Western Cape ANC  ND Ntwanambi (alt)     F


                ACDP     KDS Durr (alt)   M


                NNP      C Ackermann      M


 [A3] Members' Legislative Proposals:


 Province     Party Delegate        Male        Female


 Eastern Cape ANC  W Boyce     M


 Free State   ANC  T Ralane    M


                DP C-S Botha (alt)  F




 Gauteng      ANC  MW Moosa    M


                DP JL Theron (alt)  M


                NNP      EA Conroy  M


 Kwazulu-Natal     NNP   PA Matthee (Chair)          M


                ANC      Prince BZ Zulu (alt)  M


 Mpumalanga   ANC  TB Taabe    M


                AN C     BJ Mkhaliphi     M


                DP G R Krumbock     M


 Northern CapeANC  EN Lubidla  F


                ANC      MA Sulliman (alt)     M


              NNP  J Horne    M


 North West   DP   L Lever (alt)    M


              ANC  PDN Maloyi M


 Northern
 Province     ANC  Kgoshi M L Mokoena     M


              UDM  RM Nyakane M


 Western
 Cap    ANC   ND Ntwanambi (alt)    F


              ACDP KDS Durr (alt)   M


              NNP  C Ackermann      M


 [B] Finance:


 Province     Party Delegate        Male        Female


 Eastern Cape UDM  HT Sogoni   M


 Free State   ANC  T Ralane    M


              DP   C-S Botha (alt)  F


              ANC  TS Setona (alt)  M


 Gauteng      ANC  QD Mahlangu F
                          (Chair)


              DP   JL Theron  M


              NNP  EA Conroy (alt)  M


 KwaZulu-Natal
              ANC  B Thomson  F


 Mpumalanga   ANC  TB Taabe         M


 Northern
 Cape   ANC   A Lucas    M


 North West   ANC  ZS Kolweni  M


 Northern
 Province     ANC  MI Makoela  M


 Western
 Cape   ACDP  KDS Durr   M
              ANC  ND Ntwanambi (alt)    F


 [C1] Social Development:


 (Health, Social Development & Home Affairs)


 Province          Party Delegate         Male       Female


 Eastern Cape ANC  RG Nogumla (alt) M


                DP EC Gouws    F


              UDM  HT Songoni M


 Free State   ANC  SN Ntlabati F


              NNP  PJC Nel    M


 Gauteng      ANC  LJacobus (Chair) F


              DP   JL Theron  M


              ANC  JL Kgoali  F


 KwaZulu-
 Natal  DP    NM Raju    M


              IFP  J Vilakazi F


              ANC  Prince BZ Zulu   M
                                  (alt)


 Mpumalanga   ANC  BJ Tolo     M


 Northern
 Cape   ANC   DM Kgware  M


              NNP  J Horne    M


 North West   UCDP JO Tlhagale M


              ANC  PDN Maloyi (alt) M


 Northern
 Province     ANC  C Nkuna     F


 Western
 Cape   NNP   A van Zyl  F
              NNP  C Ackermann (alt)     M


 [C2] Education & Recreation:


 (Education, Arts, Culture, Science & Technology, Sport & Recreation)


 Province          Party Delegate         Male       Female


 Eastern
 Cape   ANC   RG Nogumla M


                DP EC Gouws    F


                UDM      HT Songoni (alt) M


 Free State   ANC  SN Ntlabati F


                ANC      M Chabaku  F


 Gauteng      ANC  L Jacobus   F


                DP JL Theron   M


                ANC      JL Kgoali  F


 KwaZulu-
 Natal  DP    NM Raju    M


                IFP      J Vilakazi F


                ANC      Prince BZ Zulu   M


 Mpumalanga   ANC  BJ Tolo     M


 Northern
 Cape   ANC   DM Kgware (Chair)     M


                NNP      J Horne    M


 North West   UCDP JO Tlhagale M


                ANC      PDN Maloyi (alt) M


 Northern
 Province     ANC  C Nkuna     F


 Western Cape NNP  A van Zyl   F
              NNP  C Ackermann (alt)     M


 [D1] Economic and Foreign Affairs:


 (Trade & Industry, Foreign Affairs, Minerals & Energy)


 Province          Party Delegate         Male       Female


 Eastern
 Cape   ANC   BN Dlulane F


              ANC  R Nogumla  M


 Free State   ANC  T Setona    M


              DP   C-S Botha (alt)  F


 Gauteng      ANC  MW Moosa (Chair) M


              NNP  EA Conroy  M


              DP   JL Theron (alt)  M


 KwaZulu-
 Natal  IFP   MJ Bhengu  M


              DP   NM Raju (alt)    M


 Mpumalanga   ANC  MP Themba   F


              ANC  TB Taabe   M


 Northern
 Cape   NNP   AE van Niekerk   M


              ANC  A Lucas (alt)    M


 North West   ANC  ZS Kolweni (alt) M


              DP   L Lever    M


 Northern
 Province     ANC  SLE Fenyane M


 Western
 Cape   ACDP  KDS Durr (alt)   M


              ANC  ND Ntwanambi     F


              NNP  A van Zyl  F


 [D2] Labour & Public Enterprises:


 (Labour, Public Enterprises, Posts, Telecommunications & Broadcasting)


 Province          Party Delegate         Male       Female


 Eastern
 Cape   ANC   BN Dlulane F


                ANC      B Willem   M


 Free State   ANC  T Setona    M


                DP C-S Botha (alt)  F


                NNP      P J C Nel  M


 Gauteng      ANC  MW Moosa    M


              NNP  EA Conroy  M


              DP   JL Theron (alt)  M


 KwaZulu-
 Natal  IFP   MJ Bhengu  M


              DP   NM Raju (alt)    M


 Mpumalanga   ANC  MP Themba   F


              ANC  TB Taabe (alt)   M


 Northern
 Cape   NNP   AE van Niekerk   M


              ANC  A Lucas (alt)    M


 North West   ANC  ZS Kolweni (alt) M


              DP   L Lever    M


 Northern
 Province     ANC  SLE Fenyane(Chair)     M
 Western
 Cape   ACDP  KDS Durr(alt)    M


              ANC  ND Ntwanambi     F


              NNP  A van Zyl  F


 [E1] Public Services:


 (Housing, Public Works & Transport)


 Province          Party Delegate         Male       Female


 Eastern
 Cape   DP    EC Gouws (alt)   F


                ANC      P C P Majodina
                                 (Chair)  F


 Free State   ANC  M Chabaku   F


                NNP      PJC Nel          M


                ANC      T Ralane (alt)   M
 Gauteng      NNP  EA Conroy   M


                ANC      JL Kgoali (alt)  F


 KwaZulu-
 Natal  ANC   B Thomson        F


                IFP      JN Vilakazi (alt)           F


                DP N M Raju(alt)    M


 Mpumalanga   ANC  VV Windvoël      M


              ANC  P Themba (alt)        F


 Northern
 Cape   ANC   M A Sulliman          M


              NNP  J Horne (alt)    M


 North West   ANC  P Moatshe   M


 Northern
 Province     UDM  R Nyakane        M
 Western
 Cape   DP    A Versfeld F


              ANC  ND Ntwanambi (alt)          F


 [E2] Land & Environmental Affairs:


 (Agriculture & Land Affairs, Water Affairs  &  Forestry,  Environmental
 Affairs & Tourism)


 Province          Party Delegate         Male       Female


 Eastern
 Cape   DP    EC Gouws (alt)        F


              ANC  BN Dlulane       F


              ANC  RG Nogumla       M


 Free State   ANC  M Chabaku        F


              NNP  PJC Nel (alt)    M


 Gauteng      NNP  EA Conroy        M
              ANC  J Kgoali (alt)        F


 KwaZulu-
 Natal  ANC   B Thomson        F


              IFP  JN Vilakazi (alt)           F


              DP   N M Raju(alt)         M


 Mpumalanga   ANC  V V Windvoël     M


              ANC  P Themba (alt)        F


 Northern
 Cape   ANC   MA Sulliman           M


              NNP  J Horne (alt)         M


 North West   ANC  P Moatshe (Chair)            M


 Northern
 Province     UDM  R Nyakane        M


 Western
 Cape   DP    A Versfeld       F


             ANC   ND Ntwanambi (alt)          F

                     WEDNESDAY, 6 FEBRUARY 2002

ANNOUNCEMENTS:

National Council of Provinces:

  1. The Chairperson:
 The following papers have been tabled  and  are  now  referred  to  the
 relevant committees as mentioned below:


 (1)    The following paper is  referred  to  the  Select  Committee  on
     Labour and Public Enterprises and to the Select Committee  on  Land
     and Environmental Affairs:


     Report and Financial Statements of the Primary Agricultural  Sector
     Education and  Training  Authority  for  2000-2001,  including  the
     Report of the Auditor-General on the Financial Statements for 2000-
     2001 [RP 213-2001].


 (2)    The following paper is  referred  to  the  Select  Committee  on
     Labour and Public  Enterprises  and  to  the  Select  Committee  on
     Finance:


     Report and Financial Statements of  the  Financial  and  Accounting
     Services Sector Education and  Training  Authority  for  2000-2001,
     including the  Report  of  the  Auditor-General  on  the  Financial
     Statements for 2000-2001 [RP 185-2001].


 (3)    The following paper is  referred  to  the  Select  Committee  on
     Labour and Public  Enterprises  and  to  the  Select  Committee  on
     Public Services:


     Report and Financial Statements  of  the  Transport  Education  and
     Training Authority for  2000-2001,  including  the  Report  of  the
     Auditor-General on the Financial Statements for 2000-2001.


 (4)    The following paper is referred to the Select Committee on  Land
     and Environmental Affairs:


     Report and Financial Statements of the Department of  Land  Affairs
     for 2000-2001, including the  Reports  of  the  Auditor-General  on
     Financial Statements of Vote 20 - Land Affairs  for  2000-2001  and
     on the Financial Statements of the Registration  of  Deeds  Trading
     Account for 2000-2001 [RP 180-2001].


 (5)    The following paper is  referred  to  the  Select  Committee  on
     Economic and Foreign Affairs:


     Report and Financial Statements of the National  Nuclear  Regulator
     for 2000-2001, including the Report of the Auditor-General  on  the
     Financial Statements for 2000-2001.
 (6)    The following papers are referred to  the  Select  Committee  on
     Security and Constitutional Affairs:


     (a)     Proclamation No R.56 published  in  Government  Gazette  No
          22811 dated 2 November 2001, Referral of  matter  to  existing
          Special Investigating Unit and Special Tribunal, made in terms
          of section 2(1) of the Special Investigating Units and Special
          Tribunal Act, 1996 (Act No 74 of 1996).


     (b)     Proclamation No R.57 published  in  Government  Gazette  No
          22811 dated 2 November 2001, Referral of  matter  to  existing
          Special Investigating Unit and Special Tribunal, made in terms
          of section 2(1) of the Special Investigating Units and Special
          Tribunal Act, 1996 (Act No 74 of 1996).


     (c)     Government Notice No R.957 published in Government  Gazette
          No 22741  dated  5  October  2001,  Amendment  of  regulations
          relating to Sheriffs, 1990, made in terms of section 62 of the
          Sheriffs Act, 1986 (Act No 90 of 1986).


     (d)      Government  Notice  No  R.1002  published  in   Government
          Gazette No 22734 dated 12 October 2001, Regulations  in  terms
          of section 103 of the Administration of Estates Act, 1965 (Act
          No 66 of 1965).


 (7)    The following paper is  referred  to  the  Select  Committee  on
     Security and Constitutional Affairs for consideration and report:


     Legal Aid Guide, 2001 from the Legal Aid Board.

TABLINGS:

National Assembly and National Council of Provinces:

Papers:

  1. The Minister of Transport:
 (a)    Agreement between the Government of the Republic of South Africa
     and the Government of the French Republic for the Co-ordination  of
     Search and Rescue Services, tabled in terms of  section  231(3)  of
     the Constitution, 1996.


 (b)    Explanatory Memorandum to the Agreement.
  1. The Minister of Education:
 Report and Financial Statements of the Forest  Industry  Education  and
 Training Authority, including the Report of the Auditor-General on  the
 Financial Statements for 2000-2001 [RP 18-2002].

                      THURSDAY, 7 FEBRUARY 2002

TABLINGS: National Assembly and National Council of Provinces:

Papers:

  1. The Minister of Environmental Affairs and Tourism:
 (1)    Cartagena Protocol on Biosafety to the Convention on  Biological
     Diversity, tabled in terms of section 231(2) of  the  Constitution,
     1996.


 (2)    Explanatory Memorandum to the Cartagena Protocol.

                       FRIDAY, 8 FEBRUARY 2002

TABLINGS:

National Assembly and National Council of Provinces:

Papers:

  1. The Minister of Sport and Recreation:
 Report and Financial Statements of the South African Institute for Drug-
 Free Sport for 2000-2001.

COMMITTEE REPORTS:

National Assembly and National Council of Provinces:

  1. Report of the Joint Monitoring Committee on Improvement of Quality of Life and Status of Women on How best can South Africa address the horrific impact of HIV/Aids on Women and Girls?, dated 14 November 2001:
 The    Report    is     available     from     Parliament's     website
 http://www.parliament.gov.za/committees/improv.asp

                      MONDAY, 11 FEBRUARY 2002

ANNOUNCEMENTS:

National Council of Provinces:

  1. The Chairperson:
 The following papers have been tabled  and  are  now  referred  to  the
 relevant committees as mentioned below:


 (1)    The following papers are referred to  the  Select  Committee  on
     Public Services:


     (a)     Agreement between the Government of the Republic  of  South
          Africa and the Government of the French Republic for  the  Co-
          ordination of Search and Rescue Services, tabled in  terms  of
          section 231(3) of the Constitution, 1996.


     (b)     Explanatory Memorandum to the Agreement.


 (2)    The following paper is referred to the Select Committee on  Land
     and Environmental Affairs:


     Report and Financial Statements of the  Forest  Industry  Education
     and Training  Authority,  including  the  Report  of  the  Auditor-
     General on the Financial Statements for 2000-2001 [RP 18-2002].


 (3)    The following papers are referred to  the  Select  Committee  on
     Land and Environmental Affairs  and  to  the  Select  Committee  on
     Economic and Foreign Affairs  for  consideration  and  report.  The
     committees must  confer  and  the  Select  Committee  on  Land  and
     Environmental Affairs must report:


          (a) Cartagena Protocol  on  Biosafety  to  the  Convention  on
              Biological Diversity, tabled in terms  of  section  231(2)
              of the Constitution, 1996.


          (b) Explanatory Memorandum to the Cartagena Protocol.


 (4)    The following paper is  referred  to  the  Select  Committee  on
     Education and Recreation:


     Report and Financial Statements of the South African Institute  for
     Drug-Free Sport for 2000-2001.

                      TUESDAY, 12 FEBRUARY 2002

TABLINGS:

National Assembly and National Council of Provinces:

Papers:

  1. The Minister of Finance:
 (1)    Report of the Registrar of Friendly Societies for 1999.
 (2)    Report of the Registrar of Friendly Societies for 2000.


 (3)    Report of the Registrar of Pension Funds for 2000.


 (4)    Report of the Registrar of Short-Term Insurance for 2000.


 (5)    Report of the Registrar of Long-Term Insurance for 2000.
  1. The Minister of Transport:
 (1)    Air Services Agreement between the Government of the Republic of
     South Africa and the Government of the Kingdom of  Belgium,  tabled
     in terms of section 231(3) of the Constitution, 1996.


 (2)    Explanatory Memorandum to the Agreement.


 (3)    Undertaking between the Government  of  the  Republic  of  South
     Africa  and  the  Government  of  the  Netherlands  concerning  the
     recognition  of  Certificates  under   Regulation   1/10   of   the
     Standards, Certification  and  Watchkeeping  for  Seafarers  (STCW)
     Convention, tabled in terms of section 231(3) of the  Constitution,
     1996.


 (4)    Explanatory Memorandum to the Undertaking.


 (5)    Air Services Agreement between the Government of the Republic of
     South Africa and the  Government  of  Macau,  tabled  in  terms  of
     section 231(3) of the Constitution, 1996.


 (6)    Explanatory Memorandum to the Agreement.


 (7)    Air Transport Agreement between the Government of  the  Republic
     of South Africa and the Government of  the  Republic  of  Portugal,
     tabled in terms of section 231(3) of the Constitution, 1996.


 (8)    Explanatory Memorandum to the Agreement.


 (9)    Bilateral Air Services Agreement between the Government  of  the
     Republic of South Africa  and  the  Government  of  the  Democratic
     People's Republic of Algeria, tabled in terms of section 231(3)  of
     the Constitution, 1996.


 (10)   Explanatory Memorandum to the Agreement.
  1. The Minister of Environmental Affairs and Tourism:
 (1)    Government Notice No 1399 published  in  Government  Gazette  No
     22960 dated 21 December 2001, Regulations in terms of the  National
     Environment Management  Act,  1998:  Control  of  vehicles  in  the
     coastal  zone,  made  in  terms  of  section  44  of  the  National
     Environment Management Act, 1998 (Act No 107 of 1998).


 (2)    Kyoto Protocol to the United  Nations  Framework  Convention  on
     Climate  Change,  tabled  in  terms  of  section  231(2)   of   the
     Constitution, 1996.


 (3)    Explanatory Memorandum on the Kyoto Protocol.

                     WEDNESDAY, 13 FEBRUARY 2002

ANNOUNCEMENTS:

National Assembly and National Council of Provinces:

  1. The Speaker and the Chairperson:
 The following changes  have  been  made  to  the  membership  of  Joint
 Committees, viz:


 Constitutional Review:


 Appointed: Ditshetelo, P H K.
 Discharged: Mfundisi, I S.
 Improvement of Quality of Life and Status of Women:


 Appointed: Seeco, M A.

TABLINGS:

National Assembly and National Council of Provinces:

Papers:

  1. The Speaker and the Chairperson:
 (1)    Report of the Auditor-General on the Financial Statements of the
     Pan South African Language Board for 1997-98 [RP 07-2002].


 (2)    Report of the Auditor-General on the Financial Statements of the
     Pan South African Language Board for 1998-99 [RP 06-2002].


 (3)    Report of the Auditor-General on the Financial Statements of the
     Pan South African Language Board for 1999-2000 [RP 08-2002].

                     THURSDAY, 14 FEBRUARY 2002

ANNOUNCEMENTS:

National Assembly and National Council of Provinces:

  1. The Speaker and the Chairperson:
 (1)    The Minister of Housing on 22 October 2001 submitted a draft  of
     the Disestablishment of the South  African  Housing  Trust  Limited
     Bill, 2002, as well as the memorandum  explaining  the  objects  of
     the proposed legislation, to the Speaker  and  the  Chairperson  in
     terms of Joint Rule  159.  The  draft  has  been  referred  to  the
     Portfolio Committee on Housing and the Select Committee  on  Public
     Services by the  Speaker  and  the  Chairperson,  respectively,  in
     accordance with Joint Rule 159(2).


 (2)    The following Bill was introduced by  the  Select  Committee  on
     Public Services at the request of the Minister of  Housing  in  the
     National Council of Provinces on 14 February 2002 and  referred  to
     the Joint Tagging Mechanism (JTM) for classification  in  terms  of
     Joint Rule 160:


     (i)      Disestablishment  of  the  South  African  Housing   Trust
          Limited Bill [B 3 - 2002] (National Council of Provinces - sec
          76) [Explanatory summary of  Bill  and  prior  notice  of  its
          introduction published in Government Gazette  No  22728  of  5
          October 2001.]


     The Bill has been  referred  to  the  Select  Committee  on  Public
     Services of the National Council of Provinces.


     In terms of Joint Rule 154 written views on the  classification  of
     the Bill may be submitted to  the  Joint  Tagging  Mechanism  (JTM)
     within three parliamentary working days.

National Council of Provinces:

  1. The Chairperson:
 (1)    The following members have been appointed to the  working  group
     of  the   National   Council   of   Provinces   to   consider   the
     implementation of the Constitutive Act of the African Union, viz:


     Pandor, G N M; Mushwana, M L; Sulliman, M A; Lucas, G  A;  Matthee,
     P A and Botha, C S.


 (2)    The following papers have been tabled and are  now  referred  to
     the relevant committees as mentioned below:


     (a)     The following paper is referred to the Select Committee  on
          Land and Environmental Affairs:


          Government Notice No 1399 published in Government  Gazette  No
          22960 dated 21 December 2001,  Regulations  in  terms  of  the
          National Environment Management Act, 1998: Control of vehicles
          in the coastal zone, made  in  terms  of  section  44  of  the
          National Environment Management  Act,  1998  (Act  No  107  of
          1998).


     (b)     The following papers are referred to the  Select  Committee
          on Finance:


          (i) Report of the Registrar of Friendly Societies for 1999.


          (ii)     Report of the Registrar  of  Friendly  Societies  for
                   2000.


          (iii)    Report of the Registrar of Pension Funds for 2000.


          (iv)     Report of the Registrar of Short-Term  Insurance  for
                   2000.


          (v) Report of the Registrar of Long-Term Insurance for 2000.


     (c)     The following papers are referred to the  Select  Committee
          on Public Services:


          (i) Air Services  Agreement  between  the  Government  of  the
                   Republic of South Africa and the  Government  of  the
                   Kingdom of Belgium, tabled in terms of section 231(3)
                   of the Constitution, 1996.


          (ii)     Explanatory Memorandum to the Agreement.


          (iii)    Undertaking between the Government of the Republic of
                   South Africa and the Government  of  the  Netherlands
                   concerning  the  recognition  of  Certificates  under
                   Regulation 1/10 of the Standards,  Certification  and
                   Watchkeeping for Seafarers (STCW) Convention,  tabled
                   in terms of section 231(3) of the Constitution, 1996.


          (iv)     Explanatory Memorandum to the Undertaking.


          (v) Air Services  Agreement  between  the  Government  of  the
                   Republic of South Africa and the Government of Macau,
                   tabled  in   terms   of   section   231(3)   of   the
                   Constitution, 1996.


          (vi)     Explanatory Memorandum to the Agreement.
          (vii)    Air Transport Agreement between the Government of the
                   Republic of South Africa and the  Government  of  the
                   Republic of Portugal,  tabled  in  terms  of  section
                   231(3) of the Constitution, 1996.


          (viii)   Explanatory Memorandum to the Agreement.


          (ix)      Bilateral  Air  Services   Agreement   between   the
                   Government of the Republic of South  Africa  and  the
                   Government of the  Democratic  People's  Republic  of
                   Algeria, tabled in terms of  section  231(3)  of  the
                   Constitution, 1996.


          (x) Explanatory Memorandum to the Agreement.

TABLINGS: National Assembly and National Council of Provinces:

Papers:

  1. The Minister of Home Affairs:
 Report  of  the  Independent  Electoral  Commission  on  the  Municipal
 Elections, 5 December 2000 [RP 25-2002].

                      FRIDAY, 15 FEBRUARY 2002

TABLINGS:

National Assembly and National Council of Provinces:

Papers:

  1. The Minister for Agriculture and Land Affairs:
 The Strategic Plan for South African Agriculture. COMMITTEE REPORTS:

National Council of Provinces:

  1. Report of the Select Committee on Education and Recreation on Public Hearings held by Provincial Legislatures on Sexual Violence in Schools, dated 12 February 2002:
 The Select Committee on Education and Recreation reports as follows:


 INTRODUCTION


 The Select Committee on Education  and  Recreation  requested  Standing
 Committees in all  legislatures  to  hold  public  hearings  on  sexual
 violence in schools. This took place after the Human Rights Watch  sent
 a report to the Select Committee  entitled  "Scared  at  Schools".  The
 report indicated that sexual abuse and harassment of girls by educators
 and fellow learners are widespread in South African schools.
 The following legislatures held public hearings:


 * North West.
 * Northern Cape.
 * Eastern Cape.
 * Free State.
 * Mpumalanga.


 The Western Cape did not have public hearings, but had a debate in  the
 Legislature. They also have guidelines  on  how  to  deal  with  sexual
 violence in schools.


 Due to time constraints, the Gauteng Legislature  was  unable  to  have
 their public hearings in 2001. The Legislature, has  however  scheduled
 to have the public hearings on 14 and 15 March 2002. There  will  be  8
 regional workshops across the Province. Principals and Chairpersons  of
 School Governing Bodies from all schools in the province, together with
 learners, will attend these workshops, which will focus on solutions to
 the issue of sexual violence in  schools.  The  Legislature  will  also
 invite experts on gender violence to facilitate the workshops.


 This Report focuses on the submissions made in the provinces,  and  the
 recommendations from stakeholders. Furthermore, the report  deals  with
 the findings and recommendations of the Select Committee.


 SUBMISSIONS


 THE NORTH WEST EDUCATION STANDING COMMITTEE


 The Education Standing Committee of the North West Legislature  visited
 schools in  the  Temba  District,  Rustenburg,  Klerksdorp,  Taung  and
 Mmabatho. The Committee heard input from educators, educators'  unions,
 social workers, and the police. This  section  focuses  on  the  sexual
 abuse of learners generally, including abuse that  took  place  outside
 school premises.


 The table below shows cases that have been reported to  the  police  in
 different regions of the North West  province.  However,  most  of  the
 sexual abuse cases go unreported. The cases noted below  include  rape,
 abduction and indecent assault.


 Cases reported to the Police


 Town
 Rape
 Indecent assault
 Abduction
 Unspecified
 Ganyesa


 15
 Groot Marico
 70
 5
 2


 Potchefstroom


 Mogwase
 130
 20
 4


 Moretele District


 375
 Mothibistad


 Pudumoe
 9
 2


 4
 Mmabatho
 4


 Vryburg
 55
 1
 12


 * Temba District
 The hearings for the Temba District revealed that girls from the age of
 15 years and below have  fallen  survivor  to  sexual  violence.  These
 incidents happen at home, on the way to school and even at school.  The
 survivors know most of the perpetrators  either  as  neighbours  or  as
 relatives. Some of the cases  are  never  reported,  while  others  are
 withdrawn or dropped.


 Educators report most of these cases to the police after being told  by
 the learners themselves. In some cases, when the  educator  reports  an
 alleged incident to the parents, the family chooses to  deal  with  the
 matter privately.


 Sexual violence incidents in Temba


 Age of child
 Gender


 Abuse
 Where it happened
 Perpetrator
 Whether police have been informed
 Status of the case
 14


 Girl


 Rape


 School toilets


 Unknown man


 Suspect handed to the police


 7


 Girl


 Rape
 On the way to school (other girls were also raped)
 Adult male known to the survivor


 10


 Boy


 Sodomy


 Bushes in the village


 Known villager


 Suspect arrested


 Blood samples disappeared and the court could not proceed with the case
 13


 Girl


 Home


 Adult male know to the survivor


 Parents withdrew the case


 15


 Girl


 Aunt's house


 Adult male known to the survivor


 Case never reported
 Resolved as a family affair


 9 and 10
 Sisters


 Adult male known to the survivor
 Case with CPU1


 7
 Girl


 Young male known to the survivor
 Arrested
 The boy was released because he was a juvenile
 14
 Girl


 Home
 Young male known to the survivor


 * Submission by the South African Police Services (SAPS)


 The SAPS in the area work with the  Child  Protection  Unit  (CPU)  and
 social workers  when  dealing  with  sexual  violence  cases  involving
 children. The CPU informed the public that:


 o They have the right to report cases without giving their names.
 o Educators have the right to reopen cases that have been withdrawn  by
    parents.


 The CPU voiced their concern that parents do not advise and guide their
 children. They appealed to parents to talk to their children.
 * Rustenburg


 As is the case in the  Temba  District,  the  table  below  shows  that
 children in the Rustenburg area are raped by people who  are  known  to
 them. Cases that were reported, mostly involved girls between the  ages
 of 8 and 17 years. These incidents  also  happen  either  at  home,  at
 school or on the way to school.


 Sexual violence incidents in Rustenburg


 Age
 Gender
 Nature of violence
 Where it happened
 Perpetrator
 Whether police have been informed
 Status of case
 13


 Girl


 Rape


 Adult male
 No case opened


 Girl threatened by perpetrator
 14
 Girl
 Rape
 School


 13


 Rape


 Adult male


 Case postponed


 No interpreter
 Man does not speak
 Setswana or English
 Pre-school children


 Rape


 Graveyard
 Adult male known to the survivors
 Sentenced for 1 year


 Girl
 Rape


 Grandmother's house


 Adult male known to the survivor2


 The girl reported this to the neighbours
 Girl removed by here father from the house
 Learners/educators


 Abuse
 School
 Adult male known to the survivor


 Division among educators
 8 and 9


 Girls


 Rape
 No case opened


 Parents denied incident (took money from perpetrator)
 17
 Girl
 Rape


 Young male known to the survivor
 Reported to Principal


 14
 Girl
 Raped and murdered
 Local stadium
 Group of boys


 14
 Girl
 Rape
 Home
 Adult male known to the survivor
 Case reported by educator
 Educator failed to testify after receiving threats


 Girl


 Adult male known to the survivor
 Man released
 No evidence


 * CPU


 The CPU in Rustenburg informed the Committee that they:


 * Needed full co-operation of parents and educators  and,  appealed  to
    them that they have to support the children.
 * Visit schools to give lessons about sexual abuse.
 * Have also started the "Adopt a Cop" programme,  where  cops  will  be
    "adopted" in schools. Children would  go  to  a  particular  police
    officer when they have problems.


 * Klerksdorp


 The police in Klerksdorp reported that the  most  dominating  crime  in
 schools is assault in  classrooms  and  toilets.  They  suggested  that
 educators should teach children how  to  report  these  incidents.  The
 Child Protection Unit in the  area  visits  schools  to  give  learners
 lessons on sexual abuse, drug  and  alcohol  abuse  as  well  as  crime
 prevention.


 Some of the evidence heard by the Committee includes:


 * A case of a 15-year old girl who was raped on her way to school.  She
    reported the matter after 3 days, and the court  ruled  that  there
    was no sufficient evidence, although the doctor confirmed that  the
    girl was raped.


 * A 16-year old girl who was killed and cut into pieces. The  community
    knows the perpetrators but no one is prepared to come forward.
 * A learner who reported being abused by  her  educator  to  her  class
    teacher but was threatened and told to change the  details  of  the
    case.


 The learners appealed to the public to protect and support them because
 they are  survivorised  by  educators  at  school.  They  informed  the
 Committee that they are usually failed if  they  refuse  advances  from
 educators.


 * Taung


 The table below indicates that reported cases of sexual violence in the
 area mainly involve girls between the ages of 15 and 17  years.  It  is
 also evident from the table that in most cases, the survivors know  the
 perpetrators.


 Sexual violence incidents in Taung


 Age
 Gender Abuse


 Where it happened
 Perpetrator
 Whether police have been informed


 Status of the case
 15


 Girl


 Rape


 Adult male known to the survivor


 Out on bail
 16


 Girl


 Rape


 Car


 Adult male known to the survivor
 Arrested
 17


 Girl


 Rape


 Known young male


 Case reported to the police


 Boy still at school. Never arrested


 Girl


 Rape


 Known young male


 Dealt by two families. Younger brother arrested after also  raping  the
 girl
 The boy was released on bail
 16
 Girl
 Released on bail
 15


 Girl


 Rape


 Home


 Adult male known to the survivor


 Case withdrawn


 * Mmabatho


 Evidence heard by the Committee included:


 * The case of an 11-year-old girl who  was  raped  by  her  35-year-old
   uncle. The girl was given orders to change  her  statement  and  the
   case was withdrawn after family members had met and decided that  it
   was a family matter.
 * The case of a man who transported primary school learners.  He  raped
   two girls aged 7 and 8 years. This incident was reported and the man
   was arrested, charged and sentenced to 7 years in prison.


 Recommendations by the North West


 * SAPS/ Child Protection Unit


 The  South  African  Police  Service  and  the  Child  Protection  Unit
 recommended that:


 * There be close co-operation between the Departments of Education,  of
   Justice, of Social Development  and  the  SAPS.  Furthermore,  there
   should  be  programmes  to  educate  children  on  how  to   protect
   themselves from sexual violence.


 * Schools should stop sending children out with donation lists, as some
   people take advantage of the children and abuse them.


 * Investigating officers be trained for the  job.  In  addition,  steps
   should  be  taken  against  investigators  who  accept  bribes  from
   perpetrators.


 * The community be taught to support rape survivors and not  stigmatise
   them.


 * The Departments of  Education,  of  Health,  of  Justice,  of  Social
   Development, the SAPS and the community come up with a safety policy
   for schools.


 * Educators and Unions


 The educators and the unions recommended that:


 *  Educators  should  not  be  sexually  involved  with  any   learner,
   irrespective of whether the learner is in that school or not.
 * The  public  should  be  educated  on  the  Constitution,  especially
   sections pertaining to the Bill of Rights.
 *  The  SAPS  should  protect  informers  to   avoid   harassment   and
   survivorisation by perpetrators or the community.
 * The Department of Education must draft policies that will protect the
   educator who reports the case to the police.
 * There should be a policy  on  sexual  abuse  in  schools  to  control
   harassment.
 * Social workers should  be  adopted  in  schools  to  assist  guidance
   teachers.
 * The Child Protection Unit should be visible in schools and meet  with
   educators regularly.
 * Parents should take the trouble to report their children's  cases  to
   the police.


 * Social workers


 Some of the recommendations made by the social workers were that:


 * Crisis centres were needed in police stations.
 * There should be awareness campaigns in  schools  and  pre-schools  on
   sexual violence.
 * Parents should be made to understand the  impact  of  rape  on  their
   children if the perpetrators are not arrested. They  should  support
   their children during court cases  and  should  not  force  them  to
   withdraw cases.
 * District surgeons should be reinstated and work effectively with  the
   courts.
 * Mobile police stations should be established in rural and farm areas.
 * The  media  should  be  used  to  educate  communities  about  sexual
   violence.


 THE NORTHERN CAPE LEGISLATURE


 * Kimberley


 No public input was received from schools in Kimberely,  as  they  were
 preparing for examinations.


 * Upington


 Parents informed the Committee that:


 * Educators also need to be protected from sexual violence  in  school.
   Legislation is needed to protect them.
 * Cases of sexual violence take long to be resolved. One case had  been
   going on for three  years,  and  the  perpetrators  were  not  found
   guilty.
 * Two girls aged 9 and  10  were  raped  throughout  the  night.  Their
   grandmother said that more should be done to help the children  deal
   with the problem and there should be social  workers  in  school  to
   deal with these problems immediately.


 The educators told the Committee that:


 * They felt  that  they  do  not  have  adequate  training  to  counsel
   learners.
 * A social worker is needed  in  school  in  order  to  deal  with  the
   problems.
 *  Sexual  violence  leads  to   drug   abuse,   violence   and   other
   misdemeanours. Therefore, parents and educators should be trained in
   order to help with these problems.
 * Calvinia


 Learners informed the Committee that:


 * Provision should be made for social workers to be at schools  because
   it is easier to talk to them.
 * Educators should be trained to provide immediate  trauma  relief  for
   learners.


 * De Aar


 The Committee was informed that cases took too long to be resolved  and
 learners felt that they could not trust the  police.  Some  cases  were
 never followed up and the processes took long.


 The police and social services were urged  to  share  information  with
 learners in order to raise awareness.


 Recommendations by the Northern Cape Legislature


 * Legislation should be drafted so that the processes of  dealing  with
   these cases could be expedited.
 * A well co-ordinated procedure involving the SAPS, and the Departments
   of Education,  of  Social  Development  and  of  Justice  should  be
   developed.
 * Police visibility is required before and after  school  in  order  to
   protect learners from harassment by others.
 * A social worker is needed on duty to respond to problems immediately.
 * Educators and parents should be trained  to  give  counselling  where
   needed.
 * Educators need protection as they are sometimes also targeted.
 * The community and the school governing body should  play  a  role  as
   this problem originates in the community.  Community  forums  should
   participate in combating the problem.


 THE WESTERN CAPE LEGISLATURE


 The Standing Committee on Education, Environmental and Cultural Affairs
 in  the  Western  Cape  reported  that  the  provincial  Department  of
 Education briefed them on child abuse in schools and  findings  of  the
 Human Rights Watch. The legislature also held a debate on 30 May 2001.


 The provincial Department of Education  has  also  produced  a  booklet
 called "Abuse No More", which is the result of two years of work by the
 department  and  officials,  in  consultation  with  NGOs   and   other
 specialists. According to the then MEC for  Education  in  the  Western
 Cape, Ms H Zille, this document:


 * Is a guideline for action.
 * Gives all the symptoms that a child displays when he or  she  may  be
   abused.
 * Gives all the steps that an educator is required to take to deal with
   sexual violence.
 * Provides all the guidelines  for  protecting  the  child,  especially
   confidentiality, and ensures that he or she never has to explain the
   incident more than once.
 * Have all the support  mechanisms  in  place,  from  psychological  to
   medical, to ensure that the problem can be dealt with.


 The department has also produced a  training  video  and  has  training
 teams to ensure that educators in all schools are trained  to  actively
 implement these protocols. This project is going  to  be  conducted  in
 conjunction with the provincial Departments of Welfare and of Health.


 THE EASTERN CAPE LEGISLATURE


 The Standing Committee visited the following 34 schools in the  Eastern
 Cape:


 * Mdeni School.
 * Ntabeni Secondary School.
 * Reuben Ntuli Junior Secondary School.
 * Upper Corona Senior Secondary School.
 * Mthweni Senior Secondary School.
 * Zanokanyo Senior Secondary School
 * Newell High School.
 * Lungiso High School.
 * Gamble High School.
 * Bethelsdorp High School.
 * Hillside High School.
 * Paterson Senior Secondary School.
 * Bongweni Primary School.
 * Alexandria High School.
 * Zuney Intermediate School.
 * Klipfontein High
 * Ukhayo High School.
 * Zolani Junior Secondary School.
 * Herschel Junior Secondary School
 * Lukanji Senior Primary School.
 * Bomeni Secondary School.
 * Vaalbank Junior Secondary School.
 * Sam Xali Higher Primary School.
 * Matthew Goniwe Senior Secondary School.
 * Dangwana Senior Secondary School.
 * Ndawana Junior Secondary School.
 * Jojo Senior Secondary School.
 * Mvenyane Senior Secondary School.
 * Sukude High School.
 * Tyali Secondary School.
 * Hector Peterson School.
 * Inkwenkwezi High School.
 * Nkangeleko High School.
 * Mababoti High School.
 * Vuli Valley High School.
 * Mbulelo Combined School.


 The Committee met with the school management, learners,  educators  and
 school governing bodies (SGBs) to hear evidence on  sexual  harassment,
 abuse and violence in schools. The Committee  also  identified  factors
 that contribute towards sexual violence in schools.


 Factors that contribute towards sexual violence in schools


 * Drug Abuse: The laxity of schools in allowing the use of drugs  is  a
   fundamental problem.


 * Poverty: In some families learners are encouraged to be involved with
   educators to get special treatment or  money.  Educators  also  take
   advantage of learners who come from poor families.


 * Drunkenness: The use of liquor by students in schools contributes  to
   sexual violence, which leads to girls being sexually abused.


 * Abusing Authority: Educators initiate sexual relations with  learners
   in exchange for favours like good grades or money.  This  encourages
   prostitution by female learners.


 * Stereotypes: Many women believe that men are dominant.


 During the public hearings, the Committee discovered  that  there  were
 schools where serious cases of sexual violence happen. These were:


 * Ntabeni Secondary School in Engobo,  where  an  educator  impregnated
   about 20 learners.


 * Bongweni Primary School, where an educator verbally  abuses  learners
   and forces them  to  urinate  or  undress  in  front  of  the  other
   learners.


 * Herschel Junior Secondary School,  where  two  educators  were  first
   reported of having sexual relations with learners in  1991.  An  SGB
   member died of a heart attack as a result of an argument with one of
   the educators.


 * Vaalbank Junior  Secondary  School,  where  a  deputy  principal  was
   involved in a relationship with a learner under the age of consent.


 * Matthew Goniwe Senior Secondary School, where  an  educator  raped  a
   learner twice and infected the learner with HIV. It is also  alleged
   that the same educator infected two other learners, but nothing  has
   been done about the case.


 General Findings of the Committee
 The Committee, having considered evidence heard during  visits  to  the
 schools, made the following findings:


 * There is no gender-based policy that is  actively  enforced  to  deal
   with sexual harassment of learners at school.
 * Education and  training  of  educators,  learners,  school  governing
   councils and school governing bodies are non-existent in schools.
 *  Counselling  services  for  survivors  and  perpetrators  of  sexual
   violence are non-existent in schools.
 * It has been alleged that some  public  representatives,  high-ranking
   officials and  community  leaders  are  involved  in  this  kind  of
   misconduct.
 * Co-ordination between the Department of Welfare, Health,  Safety  and
   Security and Criminal  Justice  on  investigating  cases  of  sexual
   violence to ensure punishment of perpetrators is often  ineffective,
   ill - conceived or non-existent.
 Recommendations by the Eastern Cape Legislature


 The Committee recommends that:


 1.     Educators who are involved  in  sexual  violence  and  abuse  of
      learners  in  schools  not  be  transferred  to   other   schools.
      Furthermore, they should be suspended and disciplinary  action  be
      taken against them.  Further  criminal  charges  should  be  taken
      against them when necessary.


 2.     The department develops  policies  with  punitive  measures  and
      standard procedure for intervention against the abuse of  children
      and sexual violence at schools.


 3.     There be a link between the Departments of  Education,  Welfare,
      Safety and Security, Health and Justice to deal with such cases.


 4.     A telephone be provided, especially  in  rural  areas,  for  the
      survivors of abuse in order to enable them  to  report  the  cases
      without delay.
 5.     Survivors of sexual  violence,  especially  young  children,  be
      provided with legal assistance when  faced  with  lawyers  of  the
      perpetrators during court proceedings.


 6.     Sports events and school activities be closely monitored.


 7.     The  department  provide  a  counselling  service  to  both  the
      survivors and the perpetrators of violence.


 FREE STATE LEGISLATURE


 Members of the Portfolio Committee  on  Education  in  the  Free  State
 Legislature and some members of the Select Committee  conducted  public
 hearings in schools in Bloemfontein, Kroonstad and Qwa-Qwa.


 The schools visited, were:


 * Dr Block, Heidedal School.
 * Sehunelo High School.
 * Bainsvlei Combined School.
 * Moemedi High School.
 * Bloemfontein - Oos Primary School.
 * Vulamasango High School.
 * Dr Cingo High School.
 * Phepetso High School
 * Thakameso Secondary School
 * Bodibeng Secondary School.
 * Kgola Thuto Secondary School.
 * Bonamelo College.
 * Sekhutlong Secondary School.
 * Selelekela Secondary School.
 * Riverside Secondary School.


 The Committee noted that sexual violence was a very sensitive topic and
 that not everyone could boldly express himself or herself. A provincial
 report looks at causes of sexual harassment and barriers  to  reporting
 abuse.  The  Committee  also  made  some   general   observations   and
 recommendations.


 * Factors that cause sexual harassment


 Factors identified by the Committee as causing sexual harassment:


 * The failure of school authorities to respond decisively to  cases  of
   sexual abuse, which  discourages  learners  from  reporting  similar
   cases.
 * Learners' uncertainty of the outcome of reporting such cases  results
   in serious fear.
 * Unethical behaviour of educators.
 * Free access to alcohol  from  taverns  that  are  situated  in  close
   proximity to the school premises.
 * Learners thinking that it is acceptable to have sexual  relationships
   with educators.
 * Use of abusive language by  learners  and  educators.  Educators  use
   derogatory names to refer to learners and some learners  propose  to
   young educators.


 Barriers to reporting sexual abuse


 * The failure of school authorities  to  respond  to  cases  of  sexual
   abuse, which discourages learners from reporting similar cases.
 * Learners' uncertainty with respect to the outcomes of the cases.


 * General Observations


 The Committee noted that:


 * Sexual harassment is prevalent in schools. It mainly  occurs  between
   learners and educators.
 * A lack of sex education also exacerbates the situation.


 * Findings


 The Committee noted during the hearings that sexual  violence  is  rife
 and prevalent in Free State  schools.  They  noted  that  this  problem
 impacts on the schools and results in:


 * Continued deterioration of discipline within the school premises.
 * Learners mistrusting educators.
 * Aggressiveness.
 *  Sexually  harassed  learners  dropping  out  of  school   to   avoid
   embarrassment.


 * Recommendations by the Free State Legislature1


 The Committee, having listened to the evidence, recommended that:


 *  The  Department  of  Education,  in  close  co-operation  with   the
   Department of Social Development and the  SAPS,  conduct  a  further
   inquiry into this matter.
 * Every school's code of conduct prohibit sexual harassment and  sexual
   relations between a learner and an educator, as well  as  between  a
   learner  and  a  headmaster  or  deputy  headmaster  of  the  school
   concerned.
 * Sex education be introduced or encouraged to  furnish  learners  with
   more information regarding sexual harassment.
 * Future public hearings be held in camera because of  the  sensitivity
   of the topic.
 * It is necessary that social workers are appointed or visit schools to
   detect tendencies of sexual violence.


 MPUMALANGA LEGISLATURE


 The Portfolio Committee on  Education,  Sports,  Recreation,  Arts  and
 Culture in  Mpumalanga  visited  the  Highveld,  Eastvaal  and  Lowveld
 regions to conduct  public  hearings.  The  Committee  discovered  that
 children were being abused at home, on their way to school and also  at
 school. They noted the ways in which abuse  occurred  and  why  it  was
 happening, and made recommendations to help solve this problem.


 * Ways in which abuse occurs


 * Forced child prostitution:


 o Girls sometimes do not come to school because they are being kept  as
   sex slaves by elderly people for very little or no payment.
 o Because of poverty, some children prostitute themselves to get paid.
 o Where there are factories close to schools, factory workers abuse the
   children and pay them very little.
 o  Some  children  prostitute  themselves  to  get  food  to  fend  for
   themselves.


 * Migrant workers and starvation of kids in rural areas:


 o Because parents work far from home, some children stay alone and  end
   up being abused by community members.
 o Some children look after themselves, and this leads  to  prostitution
   in order to get food.


 * Educator to learner abuse:


 o Some educators abuse learners and are not  dismissed.  Instead,  they
   get transferred to other schools.
 o Educators buy liquor and other intoxicating drugs for learners before
   abusing them.
 o Educators abuse learners verbally.
 o Abuse at primary and secondary schools are disguised as "affairs".
 o Children between 6 and 7 years in lower grades are also abused.
 o Educators demand sexual favours from  learners  in  return  for  good
   grades.
 o This problem is prevalent among male educators.
 o Some educators are not disciplined and are made to  provide  for  the
   families with financial and other means.


 * Learner to learner abuse:


 o Male learners rape female learners at  bashes  (parties)  and  during
   school trips.
 o Lack of privacy at home leads to children doing  things  observed  at
   home to other children.
 o Perpetrators are male and survivors are female.


 * Family members to learner abuse:


 o Usually stepfathers, uncles, those who are breadwinners or biological
   fathers are perpetrators of abuse at home.
 o Mothers deny the truth about rapists or other culprits.
 o Sodomy is also discovered in  families  where  grandfathers  sodomise
   their grandchildren.


 * Cultural practices:


 o Traditional  courts  prosecute  rape  and  abuse  cases  without  the
   relevant authority.
 o The payment of damages (inhlawulo) leads to cases not being  reported
   to courts.
 o Families accepting lobola  for  newly  born  babies.  This  leads  to
   children being abused by the "in-laws" at an early age.


 * Community members to learner:


 o Families make  matters  worse  by  demanding  compensation  from  the
   abusers.
 o Traditional and family courts prosecute rape and abuse cases.
 o Some pastors and priests also subject kids to abuse by marrying  them
   at an early age.


 * Reasons why abuse occurs


 Factors that were cited during the hearings as  reasons  why  abuse  is
 taking place :


 * Lack of awareness campaigns on child abuse, leading  to  perpetrators
   being able to escape.
 *  Poverty,  which  leads  to   children   subjecting   themselves   to
   prostitution.
 * Lack of integration of government departments on poverty  alleviation
   programmes.
 * Power relations and negative aspects of our cultures.
 * Lack of sex education and discussions between parents and children as
   well as between educators and learners.
 * The notion that girls are sex objects.
 * Lack of school transport.
 * Lack of recreational facilities.
 * Shortage of specialised children's courts.
 * They believe that sleeping with an under-aged child will cure one  of
   HIV/Aids.
 * Failure of some parents to co-operate with educators.
 * Failure of the Department of Education to dismiss educators  who  are
   abusers.


 * Recommendations by Mpumalanga Legislature


 The Committee recommends that:


 * Sexual violence be declared a priority crime.
 * The media be used to build awareness of sexual abuse.
 * A National and Provincial Men's Indaba be held by the President.
 * The Department of Education immediately  dismiss  all  those  engaged
   sexually with school children.
 * Sex education be taught in schools and homes in languages  understood
   by those receiving the lessons.
 * The Departments of Education, of Social Services, of Health, the SAPS
   and the medical personnel establish survivor empowerment centres  or
   trauma centres to deal with cases of sexual abuse.
 * The Department of Social Services establish a social  security  grant
   for those living in poverty so that children must not be abused as a
   result thereof.
 * Children's courts that will be children - friendly be established  to
   ensure that perpetrators are punished for their actions.
 * Training of the police to handle cases of child abuse.
 *  The  Government  make  available  school  transport   for   learners
   travelling long distances.


 SELECT COMMITTEE'S FINDINGS AND RECOMMENDATIONS


 It is evident that sexual violence is endemic in schools. As  a  result
 of the Human Rights Watch  report  entitled  "Scared  at  School",  the
 Select Committee embarked on a  provincial  fact-finding  mission.  The
 Select Committee was not able to visit all Provinces. However, this  is
 an ongoing process and some of  the  Provinces  that  did  not  conduct
 hearings due to various constraints, will still be visited. The purpose
 of the hearings was to assess the extent to which this scourge  affects
 schools, with a view to eradicating it.


 * Findings


 As a result of the above hearings, the  Committee  made  the  following
 findings:


 * The Department of Education has  no  policy  on  sexual  violence  in
   schools.
 * The South African Police Service is showing a distinct lack of effort
   in the investigation of cases. This  is  compounded  by  a  lack  of
   sufficient resources.
 * In the provinces where the hearings were held, it is clear  that  the
   problem of sexual harassment and violence against girl  children  is
   wide - spread and cuts across all race and class lines.
 * In the majority of the incidents, perpetrators were adult males known
   to the survivors. Survivors are primarily female between the ages of
   12 and 18 years, although incidents of survivors as young as 7  were
   reported.
 * Sexual violence and harassment, including rape, assault and  teasing,
   also took place between learners. In the majority of incidents,  the
   perpetrators were older boys and survivors younger girls.
 * There has been inadequate action to deal with the perpetrators or  to
   assist survivors in the  majority  of  the  cases  reported  to  the
   Committee.
 * A number of perpetrators  have  not  been  charged  by  the  criminal
   justice  system,  nor  have  they  faced  disciplinary  action  from
   education authorities. Many perpetrators continue to  teach  in  the
   same school where their survivors are learners. This  was  found  in
   the majority of the cases reported to the Committee.
 * Survivors of sexual violence are generally not treated appropriately.
   There are very  few  instances  where  children  are  supported  and
   believed when they make statements and give evidence. There is  also
   very  few  instances  where  appropriate  counselling  and  survivor
   support services are available.
 * It is evident that most of the perpetrators are invariably educators,
   as the report of the Human Rights Watch indicated.
 * Most of these cases of sexual violence against girls go unreported.
 * It is apparent that principals, school governing bodies  and  parents
   are turning a blind eye to sexual violence.
 * Certain  communities  are  also  demonstrating  a  complete  lack  of
   responsiveness.
 * There is a general lack of  awareness  about  sexual  violence  among
   learners, resulting in reluctance to report cases  to  the  relevant
   authorities.
 * Due to a  case  overload  in  courts,  sexual  abuse  cases  are  not
   adequately and speedily dealt with. This gives rise  to  a  lack  of
   confidence in the justice system.
 * Traditional beliefs and practices may contribute to  the  culture  of
   silence around sexual violence.
 * The educator's code of conduct is silent on how to deal  with  sexual
   violence.


 Conclusion


 Having considered the reports of the various  provincial  legislatures,
 the Committee concludes that:
 * It is apparent that sexual violence in schools is a serious problem.
 * The consequences of these acts leave deep social,  psychological  and
   physical scars on survivors.
 * It is a commonly held view that human dignity, values and respect for
   children be restored in our schools.
 * It has therefore become  imperative  for  all  stakeholders  to  work
   together in order to deal with this scourge  in  and  effective  and
   efficient manner.


 * Recommendations


 Emanating from the findings  of  the  Committee,  urgent  consideration
 needs to be given to implementing the following measures:


 * The Department of Education should  expedite  the  implementation  of
   policy on sexual violence within an agreed upon time - frame.
 * Learners need to be conscientised about reporting mechanisms.
 * Principals and SGBs need to be  held  accountable  if  they  fail  to
   address or report cases of sexual violence.
 *  There  should  be  greater  cohesion  between  the  Departments   of
   Education, of Justice and of Social Development in order to expedite
   the cases in court.
 * Stronger parental involvement in (their) children's sexual  education
   is encouraged.
 * South Africa needs a register of sex offenders, as is the practise in
   other countries.
 * Interaction between the Department of Education and Educators' Unions
   is encouraged to strengthen the fight  against  sexual  violence  in
   schools.
 * Section 17 (1) (g) of the Employment of Educators Act, Act No. 76  of
   1998, makes sexual violence in schools an automatically  dismissible
   offence, and the Committee would like to see  the  Department  apply
   this section of the Act rigidly.


 Report to be considered.
                      MONDAY, 18 FEBRUARY 2002

ANNOUNCEMENTS:

National Assembly and National Council of Provinces:

  1. The Speaker and the Chairperson:
 (1)    Assent by the President  of  the  Republic  in  respect  of  the
     following Bills:


     (a)     Gas Bill [B 18D - 2001] - Act No 48 of  2001  (assented  to
              and signed by President on 12 February 2002);


     (b)     Academy of Science of South Africa Bill [B 67B  -  2001]  -
              Act No 67 of 2001 (assented to and signed by President  on
              13 February 2002); and


     (c)     Africa Institute of South Africa Bill [B 47B - 2001] -  Act
              No 68 of 2001 (assented to and signed by President  on  12
              February 2002).

TABLINGS:

National Assembly and National Council of Provinces:

Papers:

  1. The Minister of Finance:
 (1)    Proclamation No 64 published  in  Government  Gazette  No  22924
     dated 7 December 2001, Commencement of the Pension Funds  Amendment
     Act, 2001 (Act No 65 of 2001), made in terms of section  5  of  the
     Pension Funds Amendment Act, 2001 (Act No 65 of 2001).


 (2)    Proclamation No 65 published  in  Government  Gazette  No  22924
     dated 7 December 2001, Commencement of  the  Pension  Funds  Second
     Amendment Act, 2001 (Act No 39 of 2001), made in terms  of  section
     7 of the Pension Funds Second Amendment Act, 2001  (Act  No  39  of
     2001).


 (3)    Government Notice No R.1256 published in Government  Gazette  No
     22877 dated 30 November  2001,  Financial  instrument  regulations,
     made in terms of section 6(1)(c) of the Unit  Trusts  Control  Act,
     1981 (Act No 54 of 1981).


 (4)    Government Notice No R.1370 published in Government  Gazette  No
     22939   dated   13   December   2001,   Regulations   relating   to
     representative offices of foreign  banking  institutions,  made  in
     terms of section 90 of the Banks Act, 1990 (Act No 94 of 1990).


 (5)    Government Notice No R.1342 published in Government  Gazette  No
     22907 dated 14 December  2001,  Procedure  for  the  imposition  of
     penalties by the Registrar of Short-Term Insurance, made  in  terms
     of section 66(2) of the Short-Term Insurance Act, 1998 (Act  No  53
     of 1998).
 (6)    Government Notice No R.1343 published in Government  Gazette  No
     22907 dated 14 December  2001,  Procedure  for  the  imposition  of
     penalties by the Registrar of Long-Term Insurance,  made  in  terms
     of section 68(2) of the Long-Term Insurance Act, 1998  (Act  No  52
     of 1998).
  1. The Minister of Transport:
 The Road to Safety 2001-2005, "Building the foundations of a  safe  and
 secure road traffic environment in South Africa".

                      TUESDAY, 19 FEBRUARY 2002

ANNOUNCEMENTS:

National Council of Provinces:

  1. The Chairperson:
 The following papers have been tabled  and  are  now  referred  to  the
 relevant committees as mentioned below:


 (1)    The following papers are referred to  the  Select  Committee  on
     Land and Environmental Affairs for consideration and report:


     (a)     Kyoto Protocol to the United Nations  Framework  Convention
          on Climate Change, tabled in terms of section  231(2)  of  the
          Constitution, 1996.


     (b)     Explanatory Memorandum on the Kyoto Protocol.


 (2)    The following papers are referred to  the  Select  Committee  on
     Education and Recreation:


     (a)     Report of the Auditor-General on the  Financial  Statements
          of the Pan South African Board for 1997-98 [RP 07-2002].


     (b)     Report of the Auditor-General on the  Financial  Statements
          of the Pan South African Board for 1998-99 [RP 06-2002].


     (c)     Report of the Auditor-General on the  Financial  Statements
          of the Pan South African Board for 1999-2000 [RP 08-2002].


 (3)    The following paper is  referred  to  the  Select  Committee  on
     Social Development and to the Select Committee on Local  Government
     and Administration:


     Report of the Independent Electoral  Commission  on  the  Municipal
     Elections, 5 December 2000 [RP 25-2002].


 (4)    The following paper is referred to the Select Committee on  Land
     and Environmental Affairs:


     The Strategic Plan for South African Agriculture. 2.    The Chairperson:


 (1)    Message from National Assembly to National Council of Provinces:


    Bills  passed  by  National  Assembly  on  19  February  2002   and
     transmitted for concurrence:


     (a)     Copyright Amendment Bill [B 73B - 2001] (National  Assembly
          - sec 75).


     (b)     Performers'  Protection  Amendment  Bill  [B  74B  -  2001]
          (National Assembly - sec 75).


     The Bills have been referred to the Select  Committee  on  Economic
     and Foreign Affairs of the National Council of Provinces.


 (2)    Message from National Assembly to National Council of Provinces:


   Bill passed by National Assembly on 19 February 2002 and  transmitted
     for concurrence:


     (a)     Unemployment Insurance Contributions Bill  [B  85  -  2001]
          (National Assembly - sec 77).


     The Bill has been referred to the Select Committee  on  Finance  of
     the National Council of Provinces, the  committee  to  confer  with
     the Select Committee on Labour and Public Enterprises..

COMMITTEE REPORTS

National Council of Provinces:

  1. Report of the Select Committee on Social Services on the Births and Deaths Registration Amendment Bill [B 53 - 2001] (National Assembly - sec 75), dated 19 February 2002:

    The Select Committee on Social Services, having considered the subject of the Births and Deaths Registration Amendment Bill [B 53

    • 2001] (National Assembly - sec 75), referred to it, reports that it has agreed to the Bill.