National Assembly - 25 February 2004
WEDNESDAY, 25 FEBRUARY 2004 __
PROCEEDINGS OF THE NATIONAL ASSEMBLY
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The House met at 15:01.
The Speaker took the Chair and requested members to observe a moment of silence for prayers or meditation.
ANNOUNCEMENTS, TABLINGS AND COMMITTEE REPORTS - see col 000.
NEW MEMBER
(Announcement)
The Speaker announced that the vacancy that had arisen as a result of Mr G B D McIntosh’s seat becoming vacant had been filled, in accordance with item 6(3) of Schedule 6 to the Constitution, 1996, by the nomination of Mrs R van Aswegen with effect from 24 February 2004.
Mrs van Aswegen, accompanied by Mr D K Maluleke and Mr T D Lee, made and subscribed the oath and took her seat.
NOTICE OF MOTION
Mr A J BOTHA: Madam Speaker, I hereby give notice that I shall move:
That the House -
(1) notes that the Portfolio Committee on Agriculture and Land Affairs agreed that the report on its visit to Zimbabwe in 2003 should be debated by the House in order to share the knowledge gained regarding that country’s land reform programme and communal land rights legislation; and
(2) therefore resolves that the Report of the Portfolio Committee on Agriculture and Land Affairs - Study Visit to Zimbabwe, dated 5 August 2003 and published in the Announcements, Tablings and Committee Reports of 11 September 2003 be debated before the life of this Parliament ends.
Thank you.
The House adjourned at 17:17. ____
ANNOUNCEMENTS, TABLINGS AND COMMITTEE REPORTS
ANNOUNCEMENTS
National Assembly
- Messages from National Council of Provinces to National Assembly in respect of Bills passed by Council and transmitted to Assembly:
(1) Message from National Council of Provinces to National Assembly:
Bills, as amended, passed by Council on 25 February 2004 and
transmitted for consideration of Council's amendments:
(i) South African Social Security Agency Bill [B 51D - 2003]
(National Assembly - sec 76)
(ii) Social Assistance Bill [B 57B - 2003] (National Assembly -
sec 76)
The Bills have, in terms of Rule 274(1)(a), been placed on the
Order Paper of the National Assembly for debate and decision.
- Membership of Assembly
The vacancy which occurred owing to Mr G B D McIntosh vacating his seat
with effect from 20 February 2004, had been filled with effect from 24
February 2004 by the nomination of Mrs R van Aswegen.
TABLINGS National Assembly
- The Speaker
Report of Delegation to 7th Session of African, Caribbean, Pacific-
European Union Joint Parliamentary Assembly, Addis Ababa, Ethiopia, 12
to 19 February 2004.
The 7th Session of the African, Caribbean, Pacific-European Union Joint
Parliamentary Assembly (ACP-EU JPA) met in Addis Ababa, Ethiopia from
16 to 19 February 2004. As usual, the joint plenary was preceded by
meetings of the ACP and Joint Bureaus (of which South Africa is now a
member), of the ACP plenary and also of the three Standing Committees -
on Political Affairs, on Economic Development, Finance and Trade and on
Social Affairs and the Environment.
The delegation consisted of Dr. Rob Davies and Ms Ntshadi Tsheole. We
were accompanied by Mr Saul Pelle of the South African Embassy to the
EU in Brussels and Mr Mtutu Masiza of Parliament's International
Relations Unit. Ahead of the JPA there was also a workshop on Economic
Partnership Agreements and their implications for the Eastern and
Southern African region (of which Ethiopia, the host country, is part).
This was an informal activity of the Economic Development Committee,
sponsored by the Friedrich Ebert Stiftung, at which Rob Davies made an
input.
The 7th Session operated according to the new rules of procedure
adopted ahead of the 6th session. These provide for resolutions to be
tabled via the Standing Committees with the possibility of only two
"urgent resolutions" per session being tabled independently on topics
agreed by the Joint Bureau. The motivation for this new procedure is to
encourage the JPA to focus its attention on the common issues of ACP-EU
relations, rather than the bilateral issues that have in the past, in
practice, dominated JPA proceedings. It was agreed at the Joint Bureau
meeting held in Brussels in January that the "urgent resolutions" would
be on "Cotton and other basic commodities: Problems encountered by ACP
countries" and "Damage caused by Cyclones in the Pacific, Indian Ocean
and Caribbean and the need for a rapid response to natural disasters".
This meant that the JPA proceedings were largely focused on generic
rather than bilateral issues. Although the crisis in Haiti was also
included on the agenda, the Joint Bureau agreed to an exchange of
views, but no resolution. However, the discussion was led by Caricom
delegations, who argued in support of the Caricom plan calling for
dialogue, but rejecting any violent overthrow of the Aristide
government.
The resolutions emerging from the Committees were on "Conflict
Resolution and Lasting Peace" (Political Affairs Committee); "Economic
Partnership Agreements" (Economic Affairs Committee) and "Poverty,
diseases and Reproductive health in ACP countries in the context of the
ninth European Development Fund" (Social Affairs Committee). There was
a fair degree of consensus on the first and the third reports and
resolutions, as well as on the two urgent resolutions. There was,
however, a degree of disagreement on the EPA resolution. The resolution
was adopted by the Committee with a majority made up by the ACP voting
together with the European PSE (socialist), Green and GUE (left) groups
against the PPE (conservative) group. The PPE indicated in the
Committee that they would call for a vote in plenary by separate houses
and would vote against the resolution emanating from the Committee if
it were put unamended to the plenary. As the PPE has a majority in the
EU house, there was a possibility that this resolution would be
defeated as was a resolution on the WTO post-Cancun at the 6th session
in Rome. This led to a process of negotiation, in which our delegation
participated at the request of the ACP Secretary General. A compromise
was eventually reached, which resulted in fudging clauses on additional
funding to address restructuring and revenue losses arising from the
introduction of reciprocity, the introduction of "Singapore issues"
into EPA negotiations and trade in service negotiations in the EPA
context allowing for the retention of the right of ACP countries to
maintain public services in key areas. Although the original clauses on
these issues were significantly "watered down" in the compromise, the
aim was to leave space for further debates. The debate on this topic,
during which we took the floor, was attended by EU trade commissioner,
Pascal Lamy. In his input, the Commissioner spoke of "reinforcement of
regional integration" being "a heart of EPAs". Since the regions that
will be negotiating EPAs, particularly in Eastern and Southern Africa,
do not correspond either with any existing Regional Economic Community
or the AU defined region, a major challenge of aligning the EPA process
with regional and continental initiatives clearly exists. Commissioner
Lamy also spoke of reciprocity in trade being introduced through the
EPA process in a "progressively and _harnessed manner". Clearly there
are many issues here; including the extent of reciprocal duty free
opening up of ACP countries' markets to EU imports, the length of a
transition to reciprocity, preserving the rights of Least Developed
Countries to non-reciprocal duty free access to the EU, and the funding
of adjustment costs by ACP countries. All of these issues have been
taken up by the ACP side, as the input from Mauritian Minister Cuttaree
for the ACP Council made clear. Differences, however, exist on these
and other issues. A view beginning to emerge from discussions among
parliamentarians in the Southern Africa group (which in the EPA context
will be the five SACU countries plus Mozambique, Angola and Tanzania)
is that the issue of reciprocity has already been settled in our region
by the fact that the bilateral Trade, Development and Co-operation
Agreement with South Africa de facto extends reciprocity to other SACU
countries. With the EU having half promised to allow duty free access
for all products from ACP countries involved in the EPA process, and
LDCs having this right on a non-reciprocal basis, the Southern Africa
EPA should focus largely on developmental issues and non-tariff
barriers in the EU market (subsidies and technical barriers to trade).
The Economic Development Committee (on which we serve) will prepare its
next report on the controversial issue of "budgetising" the European
Development Fund, which currently operates on the basis of voluntary
contributions by EU member states. In the debate on this issue, the
development commissioner, Paul Nielson, spoke in favour of
budgetisation (i.e. including EDF funding in the European budget),
arguing this was the best way to ensure funding for development in ACP
countries - particularly with EU enlargement on the horizon. He
declined, however, to offer an assurance that no ACP country would be
worse off after budgetisation, saying that the focus of funding was now
on performance, and that funds would not be disbursed to countries that
could not perform.
The JPA also received a short input on AU processes from the Deputy
Chairperson of the AU Commission, Mr Patrick Mazimhaka. While there was
general support for AU programmes from the floor, it became apparent
during this debate that there is an urgent need to promote greater
alignment between the Cotonou and the AU processes.
As usual Workshops were held on issues of importance to the host
country - Food Security in Ethiopia, Health and Education and Private
Sector Development. We participated in the first two, which involved
visits to water security projects and programmes for sufferers from
HIV/AIDS. These gave a vivid impression of the enormous challenges
facing Ethiopia, but also of the efforts being made to address them.
For example, Ethiopia is about to introduce an anti-Retroviral
programme.
A feature of the JPA session was that Ethiopian Prime Minister, Mr
Meles Zenawi, made himself available for an hour's Q and A session with
participants, and later for a similar ninety-minute engagement with
members of the Joint Bureau. These covered a wide range of themes,
including the border dispute with Eritrea. The Eritrean delegation did
not participate in the 7th JPA, after objecting to the venue. The Co-
Presidents, however, visited Eritrea ahead of the JPA. On this issue,
the Prime Minister essentially argued that some of the UN Boundary
Commission's recommendations were "irrational" as they divided houses,
churches, villages and roads. He said that under normal circumstances,
his country could probably have lived with them, but that there was
serious tension in the relationship with Eritrea and that, in this
context, acceptance could fuel such tensions. He said, however, that
Ethiopia had renounced war as an option in resolving this issue, and
was looking for a process of dialogue similar to that between Nigeria
and Cameroon on their border issues.
The ACP Bureau, of which we are now members, recommended that we take
the vacant position of Co-Vice President for Human Rights. We accepted,
after pointing to the uncertainties arising from our election. The
position is essentially awarded to our delegation and not to any
individual and will be held by whoever leads our delegation to the JPA
after our elections. This appointment came too late for us to engage in
ACP structures on a report drafted only by the EU Co-Vice President. In
the Joint Bureau meeting, Rob Davies offered a number of comments on
this, suggesting that there was a need for greater balance through,
inter alia, addressing more substantially issues in the EU such as
immigration policy, racism and the rise of far right populism and their
impact on ACP relations.
The Joint Bureau, unfortunately, did not have time for any substantial
discussion of the workings of the new Committee-based system. In
numerous discussions, we indicated our view that it was necessary to
strengthen the Committees' work in the direction of creating
opportunities for ongoing oversight of the EPA processes, public
hearings and the receiving of reports on e.g. impact studies. The Joint
Bureau did, however, decide that reports from the Commission on
implementation of resolutions (dealt with up to now in a perfunctory
manner in plenary) should be referred to relevant Committees for more
substantial processing. All of this may well require making more time
available for Committee meetings.
The 7th JPA is the last that will be held before EU enlargement (May
1st) and the European Parliamentary elections in June. A number of
regular participants in JPA sessions will not be returning, and there
is much uncertainty about the political complexion of the new European
parliament. Generally, however, it is expected that enlargement will
bring in a number of countries with little experience of, and perhaps
limited interest in, matters of ACP co-operation and that there will be
major challenges to raise the profile of these issues.
The next Bureau and Committee meetings have been tentatively scheduled
to begin on the 5th October in Brussels, and the 8th Joint
Parliamentary Assembly to take place in The Hague, Netherlands from 22
to 25 November 2004.
Rob Davies Ntshadi Tsheole
- The Minister of Social Development
Report and Financial Statements of the National Development Agency
(NDA) for 2002-2003, including the Report of the Auditor-General on the
Financial Statements for 2002-2003 [RP 9-2004].
COMMITTEE REPORTS
National Assembly and National Council of Provinces
- Report of the Joint Constitutional Review Committee on Annual Report, dated 18 February 2004:
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- Report of the Standing Committee on Private Members’ Legislative Proposals and Special Petitions on Annual Report, dated 18 February 2004:
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- Report of Portfolio Committee on Agriculture and Land Affairs on Annual Report:
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- Report of Portfolio Committee on Sport and Recreation on Annual Report:
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Report of the Portfolio Committee on Safety and Security on the Protection of Constitutional Democracy Against Terrorist and Related Activities Bill [B 12B - 2003 Reprint] (National Assembly - sec 75), dated 25 February 2004:
The Portfolio Committee on Safety and Security, having considered the Protection of Constitutional Democracy Against Terrorist and Related Activities Bill [B 12B - 2003 Reprint] (National Assembly
- sec 75) and proposed amendments of the National Council of Provinces (Announcements, Tablings and Committee Reports, 19 February 2004, p 236), referred to the Committee, reports the Bill with amendments [B 12C - 2003].
Report to be considered.
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Report of the Portfolio Committee on Justice and Constitutional Development on the Prevention and Combating of Corrupt Activities Bill [B 19B - 2002] (National Assembly - sec 75), dated 25 February 2004:
The Portfolio Committee on Justice and Constitutional Development, having considered the Prevention and Combating of Corrupt Activities Bill [B 19B - 2002] (National Assembly - sec 75) and proposed amendments of the National Council of Provinces (Announcements, Tablings and Committee Reports, 19 February 2004, p 230), referred to the Committee, reports the Bill with amendments [B 19C - 2002].
Report to be considered.
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Report of the Portfolio Committee on Justice and Constitutional Development on the Protocol on the Amendments to the Constitutive Act of the African Union, dated 25 February 2004:
The Portfolio Committee on Justice and Constitutional Development, having considered the request for approval by Parliament of the Protocol on the Amendments to the Constitutive Act of the African Union, referred to it, recommends that the House, in terms of section 231(2) of the Constitution, approve the said Protocol.
Request to be considered.
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Report of the Portfolio Committee on Justice and Constitutional Development on Remuneration and Conditions of Service of Public Protector, dated 25 February 2004:
A. The Portfolio Committee on Justice and Constitutional Development, in terms of section 2(2) of the Public Protector Act, 1994 (Act No. 23 of 1994), recommends that the House amend the remuneration and other terms of conditions of employment of the Public Protector, determined on 13 September 1995 and amended on 18 October 1996 and 26 September 2002 respectively, as follows:
1. The substitution for paragraph 2A of the following paragraph: 2A. Entertainment allowance An entertainment allowance of R 7 000 per annum which allowance shall be adjusted from time to time in accordance with the entertainment allowance payable to a Judge President. 2. The substitution for paragraph 5 of the following paragraph: 5. Motor vehicle scheme A motor vehicle owned by the State may, on such conditions as the Minister for Justice and Constitutional Development may determine with the concurrence of the Minister of Transport in respect of Judges of the Supreme Court, be made available to the Public Protector for use, in accordance with the conditions so determined, in the course of his or her official functions as well as his or her private purposes. 3. The substitution for paragraph 7 of the following paragraph: 7. Settlement allowance An allowance of R5 600 per month shall be paid to the Public Protector for purposes of settlement at the seat of the Public Protector's office, which allowance shall be adjusted from time to time in accordance with the settlement allowance payable to a Judge of Appeal residing permanently at the seat of the court. 4. The substitution for paragraph 8.2 for the following paragraph: 8.2 If the Public Protector uses private transport in performing any official duties referred to in paragraph 8.1, he or she may be compensated at a tariff equal to the compensation paid to a Judge of Appeal for use of private transport in performing any official duties away from headquarters . 5. The substitution for paragraph 8.3 for the following paragraph: 8.3 The Public Protector shall be entitled to be accompanied by his or her spouse on official journeys at state expense if he or she uses the same vehicle as the Public Protector, and may claim in respect of such spouse a subsistence allowance equal to an allowance payable to the spouse of a Judge of Appeal, if the Public Protector attends occasions in his or her official capacity. 6. The substitution for paragraph 8.4 of the following paragraph: 8.4 The Public Protector, when on official duty away from the seat of the Public Protector's office, is entitled to an all-inclusive subsistence allowance that he or she is actually absent from the seat , equal to the allowance payable to a Judge of Appeal who is absent from his or her headquarters. The allowance for an uncompleted period of 24 hours shall be calculated proportionately according to the number of full hours of absence. 7. The substitution for paragraph 8.5 of the following paragraph: 8.5 For a period of absence on official duties of less than 24 hours in the circumstances referred to in paragraph 8.4, an all-inclusive subsistence allowance equal to the allowance payable to a Judge of Appeal who is absent from his or her headquarters for a period of less than 24 hours shall be paid. 8. The substitution for paragraph 8.10 of the following paragraph: 8.10 The Speaker may in exceptional cases approve the transportation of the effects of the Public Protector at State expense and their storage in a warehouse at his or her previous home and at the seat of the Public Protector's office for a period not exceeding 12 months, and, thereafter, their transport to his or her new home: Provided that the office of the Public Protector shall call for at least three tenders for the performance of the services and the lowest tender shall be accepted by him or her: Provided further that the Speaker may approve the acceptance of a higher tender if, in his or her opinion, there are good reasons for rejecting the lowest tender.
B. Further recommendations
1. The Committee further recommends that the abovementioned amendments shall be deemed to have come into operation on 1 September 2003. 2. It should be noted that the Committee has made the abovementioned recommendations without the benefit of the views of the Minister for Justice and Constitutional Development and the Minister of Finance in this regard. If any additional or new adjustments to the conditions of the Public Protector are required it should be tabled in the next Parliament. 3. The Department of Justice and Constitutional Development must undertake a comparative review of the remuneration and conditions of employment of the National Director of the Prosecuting Authority, Public Protector and Commissioners of the South African Human Rights Commission and Gender Commission, which must be tabled in Parliament within 3 months of the adoption of this resolution by the National Assembly.
Report to be considered.
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Report of the Standing Committee on Private Members’ Legislative Proposals and Special Petitions on the proposed Pardon Investigation Procedure Bill, dated 18 February 2004:
The Standing Committee on Private Members’ Legislative Proposals and Special Petitions, having considered the proposed Pardon Investigation Procedure Bill, submitted by Mr A J Leon and referred to the Committee, recommends, in accordance with Rule 235(4), that the proposal not be proceeded with.
Report to be considered.
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Report of the Standing Committee on Private Members’ Legislative Proposals and Special Petitions on the proposed Prevention of Illegal Eviction From and Unlawful Occupation of Land Amendment Bill, dated 18 February 2004:
The Standing Committee on Private Members’ Legislative Proposals and Special Petitions, having considered the proposed Prevention of Illegal Eviction From and Unlawful Occupation of Land Amendment Bill, submitted by Mrs J A Semple and referred to the Committee, recommends, in accordance with Rule 235(4), that the proposal not be proceeded with.
Report to be considered.
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Report of the Standing Committee on Private Members’ Legislative Proposals and Special Petitions on the proposed Electoral Systems Bill, dated 18 February 2004:
The Standing Committee on Private Members’ Legislative Proposals and Special Petitions, having considered the proposed Electoral Systems Bill, submitted by Mr K M Andrew and referred to the Committee, recommends, in accordance with Rule 235(4), that the proposal not be proceeded with.
Report to be considered.
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Report of the Standing Committee on Private Members’ Legislative Proposals and Special Petitions on the proposed Electoral Laws Amendment Bill, dated 18 February 2004:
The Standing Committee on Private Members’ Legislative Proposals and Special Petitions, having considered the proposed Electoral Laws Amendment Bill, submitted by Mr I J Pretorius and referred to the Committee, recommends, in accordance with Rule 235(4), that the proposal not be proceeded with.
Report to be considered.
- Report of the Portfolio Committee on Transport on the Road Accident Fund Amendment Bill [B 64 - 2003], dated 25 February 2004:
The Portfolio Committee on Transport reports, as follows:
1. The National Department of Transport (NDoT) presented the RAF
Amendment Bill (2003) to the Committee in October 2003. The main
objective of the Bill is to alleviate the financial burden of the
RAF by introducing measures that would assist with the cash flow
situation of the organisation.
2. The Committee conducted relatively extensive public hearings on
the Bill, as well as oversight visits to the head-office of the
RAF, to the main claims processing office of the RAF in
Johannesburg, and to the offices of personal injury lawyers, in
order to familiarise ourselves with the context and challenges
within which the proposed amendments were being tabled.
3. After considerable discussion and deliberation, the Committee
agreed that some of the proposed measures, with slight amendments,
were acceptable. In particular, those clauses of the Bill that:
a. Provided for the liability of the Fund in respect of hospital
and treatment costs according to prescribed medical tariffs;
b. Limited the liability of the Fund in respect of claims of non-
residents and non-citizens of the Republic;
c. Excluded the liability of the Fund in respect of claims for
emotional shock sustained as a result of witnessing, observing
or being informed of the bodily injury or death of another
person.
4. However, in the course of our deliberations, the Committee found
other clauses to be not suitable. Specifically those that:
a. Provided for monthly instalments and not lump-sum payments in
certain cases;
b. Provided for the mandatory resolution of disputes through
compulsory mediation and arbitration.
5. Accordingly, on the 19th November 2003 the Committee proposed to
the NDoT that a scaled-down version of the Amendment Bill be
drafted and adopted. On the 18th February 2003, the NDoT reported
back to the Committee that the Department agreed with the
Committee's proposals.
6. Unfortunately, with the impending dissolution of Parliament,
there is insufficient time to proceed effectively with the Bill.
In the light of the wide-ranging public presentations at our
hearings, and in the light of the agreement between the Committee
and the Department, we hope that the incoming Parliament will be
able to take the process forward with relative speed, and mindful
of what has preceded.
7. The Committee also recommends that the new Parliament approaches
the Bill with three other general considerations in mind:
a. Proceeding with the Amendment Bill should not detract from the
need to address other urgent operational and financial
challenges to ensure the short-term sustainability of the RAF;
b. Legislative amendments and operational amendments should not
pre-empt or distract from the medium-term imperative of a
major transformation of the Fund, as envisaged, broadly, by
the Road Accident Fund Commission Report; and
c. Reform and eventual transformation of the Fund is only one
aspect of the challenge. Even more critical is the pursuit of
all-round strategies to reduce the number of fatalities and
injuries on our roads.
Report to be considered.
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Report of the Portfolio Committee on Communications on ICASA vacancies, dated 25 February 2004:
The Portfolio Committee on Communications, having considered the matter of the filling of three vacancies on the Council of the Independent Communications Authority of South Africa, referred to it, reports as follows:
The Committee invited the public to nominate persons for consideration and recommendation to the President for the filling of three vacancies on the Council. Nominations and applications were received from 39 candidates.
The Committee met on 20 February 2004 to consider the nominations, and agreed that the following persons be shortlisted and interviewed on 24 February 2004:
Dr T Cohen, Mr K Herold, Adv F Kathree-Setiloane, Adv C B Mahlati, Mr P Mashile, Adv Z R Masiza, Mr A X Nkomo, Mr G Parr, Mr G Petrick and Ms V van Zyl.
Having considered the shortlist and having interviewed the candidates, the Committee recommends that the House, in accordance with section 5 of the Independent Communications Authority of South Africa Act, 2000, make a recommendation to the President that the following candidates be appointed as councillors to ICASA:
Dr T Cohen, Adv Z R Masiza, Mr P Mashile.
Report to be considered.
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